I had an ominous feeling for Burns tonight

I'm embarrassing myself by taking a balanced viewpoint that nothing happens in a vacuum? You're making out that Ricky only won because Gonzalez gassed, which apparently didn't happen because of anything Ricky did.

That's a ludicrous assessment and position to take on any fight. The fact Craney is agreeing with you should be the first warning light.

Why do you think Gonzalez was gassing? Was it because Ricky was staying with him, keeping on him and taking everything he dished out? I think so.

You're struggling with nuance - my point about figuring Gonzalez out is that one man was ready for the rest of the fight, the other wasn't.

Weird credit bollocks? I'm keeping on with it because you're completely discrediting one fighter. You're making out that only Gonzalez was a factor in the fight. That's clearly not true. Coming back and trying to insult me rather than acknowledge there's more to the story says more about you than me, I'm afraid.

 

You would say that though to discredit the opinion, the fact is Billy, if you understood what I was saying, instead of trying to immediately discredit it, your man would not have been as far as he was behind last night.

Boxing is 99% mental. You are kidding yourself if you think Ricky broke his heart. Of course, its expected for Team Burns and Eddie Hearn to say that. But as neutral boxing fans its a ridiculous statement to make if you watched the fight. If your saying that, then you must admit that Gonzalez also broke Ricky's heart in that fight when he started getting frustrated, he also broke about 5,000 mad Scots hearts for 7 rounds to.

Jose Gonzalez was the cause of his own downfall. Ricky may have played a little part, but he hardly beat Gonzalez into submission. I'd understand the "broke his heart" if Ricky did do that, but he clearly didnt.

 

One man was prepared to take everything he was given and keep coming, the other wasn't. The one that was won the fight.

 

Oh no! Group think!

Quick discredit craney because he goes against the cliques consensus opinion! Quick! Try and influence others to! Quick! Quick!

 

This, Craney knows more than Billy though of course

 

Why bring that card out?

We are all boxing fans.

And clearly 90% of them in this thread DKSAB and should be banned for two weeks because of it.

Discredit that. ****s. :deal

 

you do more to discredit yourself than anyone could. What clique am I part of? Don't know anyone on here, don't regularly side with anyone, call it as I see it and you are passionate but pretty clueless

 

Gonzalez was just not prepared enough also had no fight at world level before. I saw many fighters who nearly gass out after one round yet they manage to come back. Last example is Provodnikov against Bradley. Gonzalez quit although he still was 3 rounds up (official) with 3 rounds to go. He did not even took huge shots against Burns and still was landing shots. This dude has more talent he was just not ready for such a hard fight thats all.

 

I don't have to discredit you, you do a fine job of that on your own.

But your opinions are often entirely based on your own bias and agenda. The "winning in style" post sums that up.

 

Just what I expected you to say. :good

Mystic Craney ay?

I have no bias or agenda, I am down the middle. unlike you dftaylor, and as usual the counter to those people who are down the middle, if you disagree with them, is that they aint, and you are. Of course.

I know how you work. Now **** off. :good

 

I'm not down the middle at all. There are fighters I like who I naturally have a bias for, just like every human on earth. But I can disconnect my opinion to reflect what I see with my eyes instead of my heart most of the time.

Making excuses for why Gonzalez quit, as you are after all your criticism of Burns and Billy Nelson over the past year, demonstrates your bias. Trying to deny it is pointless - I could go through your posting history and pull it all out.

In fact, the very thing you're accusing me of is what you do regularly. If people disagree with you, you start calling them sheep, or saying they're part of a new age group think consensus.

You're doing it right now. The first thing you tried to do, rather than debate the point (which you never do with anyone), was discredit me as some sort of collective mental neutrality.

Nice try though.

 

I'm saying Ricky had less to do with the result because he was never in control, barely landed and his pressure was completely ineffective. This is where your Froch-Taylor analogy completely fails, because Froch was putting increasingly relentless pressure and leather on Taylor as their fight went on, he was always a very strong agressor and Taylor knew he was in deep water. Until he punched himself out in the 7th Gonzalez never looked even remotely bothered by Burns.

Again, no. Gonzalez gassed because he was inexperienced and underprepared. Ricky was fighting at Gonzalez's pace, not the other way around. Gonzalez was dictating the fightl and Burns couldn't do anything about it.

You seem to think Burns was forcing Gonzalez in some way and putting him off his game, he wasn't. Gonzalez looked incredibly composed in there and was bossing Ricky. Ricky wasn't walking him down throwing hard shots, he was following Gonzalez, missing and being countered, big difference. Burns was outclassed, outworked and outgunned.

Completely agree with you here about him not being ready to fight the full 12 at that pace, however this has nothing to do with Ricky "figuring him out". It is because Gonzalez is a relative novice who has never been in this situation before. Not quite sure how you attribute this to "figuring him out".

Yeah, you seem to be wanting to think that I'm slagging Burns and being overly positive about Gonzalez as if it's some sort of agenda when really all I'm doing is giving an honest summary of the fight. I've always supported Burns in the past but he was royally outboxed tonight until his opponent punched himself out. It's the most ineffective I've ever seen Ricky and he had no answer to the fighter in front of him.

Gonzalez needs to go away and work on his conditioning and stamina. Ricky? He has a much bigger job to do IMO.

 

And that's the end of that chapter

 

I don't see why you didn't discuss this with me in this way at the start.

Up until the 7th, Froch couldn't land a thing of real note on Taylor. He was taking an absolute beating. The analogy is completely accurate, IMO.

Froch started having success as Taylor started slowing down, but Froch was completely outclassed. He stayed the course and, as it got into the late rounds, he started applying pressure. You could easily argue that Taylor defeated himself. But it wouldn't be true, because Froch played just as big a part.

I agree with what you say in general. Ricky couldn't figure out Gonzalez's style, but he stayed with him. As soon as he got his opportunity he was putting it on Gonzalez. He was hurting him enough to make him think he didn't want to keep going in the late rounds.

That ability, to keep in the fight even when all else is going wrong, is just as much figuring someone out as getting the right counter-punch.