I had doubts about Jared Anderson, but taking Zhan after Martin is refreshment in heavyweight.

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes but I don't think he's world class right now which is what I was getting at. There's over 30 boxers in the heavyweight scene that I would favour to beat him.
     
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    I dont care about buisiness and how much someone earns, that should be put aside - what shoudlnt be put aside is fightin, we need fights, and for the last 5 years we have fake champs refsuing to fight contenders because they are not profitable.

    Champion ducking a fight should mean 1 thing and 1 thing only - striping his belt of. He can make money without belt aswell.
     
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    dragansimic22 Member banned Full Member

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    **** the public, public ruined boxing - what we need to see is more fights, and to have the best man holding the belt, not like fake champ Fury nowdays.
     
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    Lomas category is popular, just like heavyweight - more fighters because more money, so you need more fights to prove themself, in cruiserweight nobody cares.
     
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    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    If you don't mind me asking, how did the public ruin boxing?
     
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    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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    I'm done with this conversation mate, you just shot your own argument in the foot. Loma had 1 fight against a nobody and got a title shot - which he lost - and then immediately got another. Why? Because of his American genes? His British blood? Or his MARKETABLE 396-1 amateur record? I'll say again, it's about marketability, not nationality.
     
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    dragansimic22 Member banned Full Member

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    by voting with their wallet
     
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    dragansimic22 Member banned Full Member

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    You are drunk in delusion
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yep 100% it's all about marketability. Fighting in a country where there a big fanbase for boxing of course helps but we've seen too many fighters who are not Brit or American or Mexican become big draws.

    Hrgovic fans want to blame his lack of popularity on his nationality but in reality it's his marketability. He's got one of he biggest promotional companies behind him, he's now the mandatory and what is he doing? Waiting for Usyk/Dubois to fall through in the hope of a title shot and so not fighting, not getting his name out there, giving fans time to forget about him. In contrast Joyce didn't just sit on his mandatory position instead he fought Zhang. Whyte too when he was WBC number 1 did he just sit on his ranking for months and months, no he took risky fights and so fans warmed to him.

    Hrgovic's problems in securing fights is partly down to fighters ducking him, but it's also in part to him not fighting often enough for him to grow his popularity. He doesn't have to have big fight after big fight, he could just stay busy and keep his name relevant but instead he does nothing while a guy he just beat instead immediately took a hard fight and then wins and is now reaping the rewards of being busy. Fans like fighters who fight often and who take hard fights, Hrgovic is simply not doing what is required to draw fans to him and because of that he's also denied opportunities. He has to make noise not just sit back and expect big fights to just be dropped in his lap which is exactly what he was doing by waiting for Usyk/Dubois to fall through. But apparently that's not what's happening and it's racist fans who hate EE fighters, that's why he's not fighting and not getting opportunities.
     
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    100% this, I like a lot of the EE fighters and there are plenty that should be more well known than they are based on ability, but if they aren't taking the tough fights and they aren't promoting themselves actively, where is the demand for their fights going to come from? It tends to be EE fans that cry racism/xenophobia when their guys get overlooked for un unearned opportunity. I mean let's be real, most fighters that fight for a title haven't really earned their shot, so if you've got a little known fighter with no fanbase or name recognition, why should they get a shot above the also-unproven guy who's at least made a name for himself and built up his brand a little?
     
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    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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    And you've got the reasoning skills of a foetus
     
  12. humbug

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    It's a double edged sword, there's no professional sport without public interest, it's up to the people that run the sport to keep public interest high. Making match ups without an intriguing, believable back story diminishes public interest.

    What you said is as stupid as a car manufacturer saying "**** the public who needs them"?