I hate to admit it but a prime Lennox Lewis...

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  1. errsta

    errsta Boxing Addict banned

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    would beat any ATG HW ranked above him in a head to head match up.

    There, I said it.

    **** it hurts.
     
  2. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    I disagree.

    I believe a prime Lennox Lewis in his best shape and form isn't a sure thing against a prime Klitschko brother (either one) due to their size, the fact that they could deal with the jab and they had a better punching arsenal than Lewis.

    I don't go beyond say 10 or so years in a career, so I look at 10 years prior to Lewis and 10 years after.

    I think he handles most heavyweights in this era without issue, Tyson - just too tall, too strong, jab keeps him at distance, right hand is powerful enough to back him off.

    Holyfield could have been a good challenge, their second fight showed that even past his prime he was still capable of challenging Lewis at a time that Lewis could be considered in his prime.

    Ibeabuchi is quite a 'What if" scenario. The fight against Tua showed what Ibeabuchi was capable of and I think that would have been a great fight against Lennox - Ibeabuchi could take all those shots and fire bombs of his own, could Lennox stay out of harm the entire time.

    There are a few other HW's of his era that I think he would be favoured over but wouldn't be necessarily sure things.
     
  3. errsta

    errsta Boxing Addict banned

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    Neither Klit is ATG much less ranked above Lummox

    I agree on Holyfield. Prime Bowe would have also been a tough one.
     
  4. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very possibly. I think Lewis will be ranked higher and higher as time goes on.
     
  5. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Prime Lewis vs Prime Tyson would get destroyed!!!!

    {disregard avatar}:lol:
     
  6. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Resume and "ATG" status mean nothing when analysing fight styles and head to head competition.

    Most of the time, "ATG" status depends on who you've fought, not how you fought and I think that's a completely different thing.

    H2H, I back RJJ to beat anyone from 160-175, yet achievement wise? He isn't the ATG at 160-175 - solely because there weren't enough GREAT names for him to fight during his time, when compared to say Sugar Ray Leonard or Sugar Ray Robinson.

    In fact, I think ATG is an insult and disgrace to all eras, being the best of your era is the only achievement anyone should point too - you cannot be better than that.

    Lennox was the best of his era. He proved it, but I think there were fights out there that could have tested him, even on his best night.
     
  7. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Disagree completely, Tyson had great head movement and tremendous speed for getting on the inside against taller fighters but he's going against one of, if not the best distance fighter at HW who also had bombs in his hands.

    His jab would keep Tyson at bay and eventually that overhand right would dent Tyson's titanium alloy chin.. I don't see Tyson getting inside enough to end Lewis' night and he would never win a decision against Lewis.
     
  8. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    Lewis already beat Vitali Klitschko.

    Lewis spoke of how much the Tyson took out of him from both a mental and physical standpoint. Not necessarily the fight itself but the pressure leading up to it and knowing that his entire career was riding on that fight. On the night he had to come up big he did just that and he could never get to that level again. It just couldn't be possible. The Lewis that fought Vitali was out-of-shape and undermotivated. Millions in the bank and a foot out the door and he still found a way to beat a hungry Vitali Klitschko who was in his prime. That speaks volumes. It may not have been pretty but it looks a little better each day.
     
  9. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Yeah a prime Tyson, Holy and Bowe beats Lewis in my opinion:yep
     
  10. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Stopped him due to a cut during a fight that was looking very ominous for Lewis and effectively retired Lewis. It is not like Lewis dominated Klitschko in that fight and had Klitschko not cut up, that result was going to be a close one.
     
  11. errsta

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    All good points :good

    The thread, however, is based on the "disgraceful insult "known as ATG :deal:lol:
     
  12. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol:
     
  13. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    That was not a prime Lewis in there. Lewis foolishly dismissed Klitschko as a legitimate opponent and he paid for it. However, he found a way to win and the record books will always have that W by his name. In the end, Lewis is an ATG who beat every man he ever faced while Vitali is just another "what if?" Throw him into the Ibeabuchi category as far as I'm concerned.
     
  14. errsta

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  15. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Spinks was 6'3''..Holmes was 6'3''

    lewis is 6'5'' .................2 inches wasnt anything....i think Lewis caught a shell of Tyson....he fought they TYSON MYTH

    the Hungry Tyson from 89 wouldve ruined lewis for sure

    by the time lewis fought Tyson in 2002:deal :lol: he was just a side show.