I have a question about Pacquiao

Marcelo · Jun 6, 2010

Popkins said: ↑

The purpose of this thread is to ask a question about Manny Pacquiao, which will hopefully make the sceptics re-consider their position on this guy's quality and greatness. The question does focus on weight, but I'm not going to go down the road of "Pac started at 106lbs and now he is at 147lbs", nor am I going to concentrate on the fact that "he won his first world title at 112lbs and now, 8 divisions later, he has won a world title at 147", no no, because these stellar achievements are too readily written off by cynics on account of Pac being a teenager when he was at light-fly and fly, and how it was only natural he grew so much bigger, etc etc. No, the question posed by this thread is something else.

In March 2008, Manny Pacquiao won a razor-thin SD over Juan Manuel Marquez at the superfeatherweight limit of 130lbs. Some people felt Marquez should have got the nod. Although Marquez got dropped heavily in the fight, the former featherweight champion also managed to stagger Pac with a hook, and it was a very even fight.

At this time, Miguel Cotto had just beaten Shane Mosley in the 4th defence of his WBA welterweight title, and was 30-0, and an established member of the pound-for-pound rankings.

At this time, Joshua Clottey had just won an IBF welterweight title eliminator fight, and would go on to beat Zab Judah for the title later that year. In recent fights, Clottey had given Margarito all kinds of trouble before sustaining an injury, and soundly beaten Diego Corrales.

Now, think back to what you thought of Pac, Cotto and Clottey in March 2008. Consider the circumstances surrounding each man at that time. Pac, fresh from a very close and very tough fight at superfeather. Cotto, one of the best welters and best fighters in the world fresh off a deserved win over Mosley. Clottey, one of the most feared and avoided welters in the world with the IBF title in his sights.

Now, imagine what you would have said to anyone in March 2008 who said to you that Manny Pacquiao would, within two years, fight both Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey, and out of the 24 rounds he'd fight against them, would lose 1 or 2, and win 22 or 23.

In these times of internet forums and haters and fanboys and nuthuggers and the Pac vs Floyd drug debate, and all that bull****, it's very easy to lose sight of cold hard achievements that are being made under our very noses.

Once Pacquiao has retired, and the internet goons are fighting each other about newer fighters, history will of course look very, very kindly on his achievements. But I think if even the most hate-filled ******* on this forum considers what he would have said in March 2008 to the prediction that Manny Pacquiao would win 22 or 23 rounds out of 24 against Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey, he would recognize that we are living in the era of a serious, serious ATG.

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There's only ONE...........!!!! PACDBEST!!! He's the only one here... On this Planet.. That saw what will happen!!!

Marcelo · Jun 6, 2010

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That's too fat!! I like the original version.

Bill Butcher · Jun 6, 2010

Popkins said: ↑

The purpose of this thread is to ask a question about Manny Pacquiao, which will hopefully make the sceptics re-consider their position on this guy's quality and greatness. The question does focus on weight, but I'm not going to go down the road of "Pac started at 106lbs and now he is at 147lbs", nor am I going to concentrate on the fact that "he won his first world title at 112lbs and now, 8 divisions later, he has won a world title at 147", no no, because these stellar achievements are too readily written off by cynics on account of Pac being a teenager when he was at light-fly and fly, and how it was only natural he grew so much bigger, etc etc. No, the question posed by this thread is something else.

In March 2008, Manny Pacquiao won a razor-thin SD over Juan Manuel Marquez at the superfeatherweight limit of 130lbs. Some people felt Marquez should have got the nod. Although Marquez got dropped heavily in the fight, the former featherweight champion also managed to stagger Pac with a hook, and it was a very even fight.

At this time, Miguel Cotto had just beaten Shane Mosley in the 4th defence of his WBA welterweight title, and was 30-0, and an established member of the pound-for-pound rankings.

At this time, Joshua Clottey had just won an IBF welterweight title eliminator fight, and would go on to beat Zab Judah for the title later that year. In recent fights, Clottey had given Margarito all kinds of trouble before sustaining an injury, and soundly beaten Diego Corrales.

Now, think back to what you thought of Pac, Cotto and Clottey in March 2008. Consider the circumstances surrounding each man at that time. Pac, fresh from a very close and very tough fight at superfeather. Cotto, one of the best welters and best fighters in the world fresh off a deserved win over Mosley. Clottey, one of the most feared and avoided welters in the world with the IBF title in his sights.

Now, imagine what you would have said to anyone in March 2008 who said to you that Manny Pacquiao would, within two years, fight both Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey, and out of the 24 rounds he'd fight against them, would lose 1 or 2, and win 22 or 23.

In these times of internet forums and haters and fanboys and nuthuggers and the Pac vs Floyd drug debate, and all that bull****, it's very easy to lose sight of cold hard achievements that are being made under our very noses.

Once Pacquiao has retired, and the internet goons are fighting each other about newer fighters, history will of course look very, very kindly on his achievements. But I think if even the most hate-filled ******* on this forum considers what he would have said in March 2008 to the prediction that Manny Pacquiao would win 22 or 23 rounds out of 24 against Miguel Cotto and Joshua Clottey, he would recognize that we are living in the era of a serious, serious ATG.

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The reasons you give are why I DO rate him highly, amazing achievements, a one-off.... he likely deserved his FOTD award even tho I dont think he is actually the BEST fighter of the last 10 yrs... I think Mayweather is but your right, nobody can take anything away from Pacquiao - anyone that can KO Morales has some serious **** going on no doubt.

JoeLaTurkey · Jun 6, 2010

PH|LLA said: ↑

too good for his own good?
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"Greatness inspires envy, envy engenders spite, spite spawns lies."

- Lord Voldemort

Marcelo · Jun 6, 2010

Bill Butcher said: ↑

The reasons you give are why I DO rate him highly, amazing achievements, a one-off.... he likely deserved his FOTD award even tho I dont think he is actually the BEST fighter of the last 10 yrs... I think Mayweather is but your right, nobody can take anything away from Pacquiao - anyone that can KO Morales has some serious **** going on no doubt.
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Why Floyd?? Pac has achieved more!!

Bill Butcher · Jun 6, 2010

Marcelo said: ↑

Why Floyd?? Pac has achieved more!!
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I know he has but I think Mayweather is the superior fighter & Im sure he would defeat Manny in a h2h.

Totomabs · Jun 6, 2010

Addie said: ↑

*******s. I **** on them.
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no you don't self-kill.:nono

those were the days i must say...

Totomabs · Jun 6, 2010

enzo said: ↑

i miss pacdbest, dmngo and johnco

the ultimate ******* trio! allblack/rebe1/finito's worst nightmare.
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you forgot silvermags who also chimes in and joins the fray from time to time.

Marcelo · Jun 6, 2010

Bill Butcher said: ↑

I know he has but I think Mayweather is the superior fighter & Im sure he would defeat Manny in a h2h.
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Who's scared to fight??

Addie · Jun 6, 2010

Totomabs said: ↑

no you don't self-kill.:nono

those were the days i must say...
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I'm clearly head and shoulders above those clueless fools.

...With that said, I've been accused of being a ******* myself recently.

Shock, horror.

Totomabs · Jun 6, 2010

bulakenyo said: ↑

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Some slight creative license.
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..i also fcuken miss amsty who professed his undying love to mijares by calling him God.

Totomabs · Jun 6, 2010

Addie said: ↑

I'm clearly head and shoulders above those clueless fools.

...With that said, I've been accused of being a ******* myself recently.

Shock, horror.
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..yes you are.:good don't be shy, admit it.:hey

Addie · Jun 6, 2010

I'm just sincere...and have slowly come to the realization that Floyd's die-hards are equally if not more annoying than the *******s.

Totomabs · Jun 6, 2010

Addie said: ↑

I'm just sincere...and have slowly come to the realization that Floyd's die-hards are equally if not more annoying than the *******s.
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keyword. :thumbsup

horst · Jun 6, 2010

Bill Butcher said: ↑

The reasons you give are why I DO rate him highly, amazing achievements, a one-off.... he likely deserved his FOTD award even tho I dont think he is actually the BEST fighter of the last 10 yrs... I think Mayweather is but your right, nobody can take anything away from Pacquiao - anyone that can KO Morales has some serious **** going on no doubt.
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Good stuff mate :good

You think Floyd beats Pac, I think Pac beats Floyd, you seem to think Pac is scared to face Floyd, I don't understand how you can think that in the face of the evidence that show it's clearly the other way round...

...but we can both agree Pac deserved the FOTD award, because we are both boxing fans of true warriors (me Pac, you El Terrible) and hold their fighting values dear (the best must always fight the best). :good

Do you think Chuck can turn the clock back at the next ufc, or at this stage in their careers is it Franklin's fight to lose?

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