I have a question for Tito nuthuggers regarding Oscar De La Hoya..

Factually incorrect.
The fight was at middlewt (160). I've heard this tired old nonesense before regarding Oscar trying to make Floyd weigh in at 154. In no case has Oscar had (or could have ) anything to say: re his opponent's weight other than what the governing bodies set.

He probably knew he would have trouble with BHOP but maybe hoped he would grow old suddenly one night. Considering that Oscar had traveled all the way from 130 and that Bernard began at 175, Oscar was doing ok till the liver shot.

BHOP was the only opponent to have a decisive victory over Oscar.

 

So why do you show up at his weigh-in's and press conferences?

Why do spend time and money traveling to see a person you so despise?

 

I feel what you saying but before Tito I had never seen Mayorga dropped. I could be wrong though. I never knew who Mayorga was until he beat Forrest. Please believe I am no Tito nuthugger either.

 

I've always been a fan of Tito, but I never really took DLH in....for some reason the guy just rubs me the wrong way. But I can't deny DLH's skills. What was the point of this thread again.:huh

Well anyway you look at DLH did fight guys Tito smashed up already. I mean what was the point in fighting Ricardo...seriously.

 

http://www.insideboxing.com/Inside_Coverage/DeLaHoya_Hopkins/inside_camp_hopkins__a_oneono.htm

They had an agreement to weigh in at no more than 158 lbs.

 

No. De La Hoya-Hopkins was fought at a catchweight of 158 lbs. Hopkins said over and over again that he'd be willing to fight at a catchweight, so Oscar took it. When interviewed about it, he just said something about getting every possible edge.

Ultimately it meant little because Hopkins was not someone who struggled to make 160 or even 158. He actually weighed in at 156 against Oscar.

 

The main reason people started talking about Oscar fighting Tito's "left-overs" was the Vargas fight. Oscar said he would never fight Vargas because he didn't want Fernando to make a big payday because of him, but changed his mind when the fight made so much sense. It was the biggest and most lucrative fight for Oscar at 154 at the time, and a unification bout. Vargas had also looked poor in his previous 2 fights, right after the Tito fight, in getting dropped and hurt in round two against Rivera and also hurt to the body in round 4 when Rivera landed a left hook.

The Campas fight means little to Oscar's legacy anyway, as Campas is not one of Oscar's biggest and best wins. It was just a stay-busy fight for DLH.

People will say Tito ruined Carr, but it's not like you saw a difference the pre-Tito performances for Carr like you did Vargas. Tito was a HUGE step-up in class for Carr. His most notable opponent prior to Tito was Bramble, and Carr got a gift. Carr was hyped because all the USA TNF appearances, but it wasn't like he suddenly showed a decline in ability post-Tito.

Mayorga took a horrendous beating against Tito, and it still took Tito 8 rounds and a body shot to finally stop him. After Oscar dropped Mayorga with a left hook in round 1, it appeared as if Mayorga's chin may have been dented by Tito irreversibly. But watching the highlight in slow-mo, it might've simply been a case of quick left hooks catching El Matador in the right spot. Mayorga didn't appear to see the shots coming, and the punches that dropped him (or led directly to a KD) caught him on the temple.

 

Doing better? Fernando was about to KO Tito until that very deliberate nutshot.

 

:rofl

 

Sugar fought Oscar twice. First result was a split decision. (I scored it a draw, but if I had to give one of them the nod, it would be Sugar). At any rate, it was a win but NOT a DECISIVE win.

Second Sugar fight. Many people (including Sugar) believed that Oscar won that fight. While not a robbery, I scored it definitely for Oscar. Again it was not DECISIVE.

Floyd/Oscar was close, another split decision that probably represents how the fight went. Definitely not DECISIVE. Floyd knows this (and so do you, Jack) because he (and you) are clamouring for a rematch, something you don't need to do if you win decisively the first time.

BHOP holds the only decisive win over Oscar.

Re: the fecal matter myth: That's just a story put about by Oscar's detractors (perhaps yourself?). It has no basis in reality. It's interesting that so many detractors say he took a dive (Folks who've clearly never been hit with a perfect liver shot) and some say he **** his shorts.

You can't have it both ways.

 

Mayweather just wants another big payday. It doesn't matter if he won 7-5 or 11-1. He'd still ask for a rematch with Oscar.

 

He would look a little foolish going after a rematch if he won the first fight decisively.

The first fight was close andthe victory definitely not decisive.

BTW you might want to go back to boxrec and revisit Hagler's first 45 fights.

 

If Floyd won by a wider margin, I think he'd still ask for a rematch. It was close and competitive, but even if it weren't I think he'd still ask for a rematch.

He just wants more money. He's a little more shameless than others, but I've seen worse.

Hell, even Winky asked for a rematch and made excuses for Trinidad after Winky shut him out 12-0

I did. Hagler's opponents in his first 45 fights had more wins than losses. That "they lost 60% of their fights" was way off.

 

So he made over $20 million for the fight against Oscar(his career high before that was $8 million), and he would look foolish if he went for a rematch. I'll tell you what, I think he would be stupid not to go for the rematch. I understand people talking about legacy and all this other stuff when it comes to picking opponents, but I don't think you can just not even attempt to cash in on that sort of payday if you're Floyd.