I have enough knowledge about boxing to know this

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by tinman, Oct 25, 2021.


  1. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    Come on dude. You're over complicating it and being negative.

    There's always going to be an element of unknown with these high level fights, that's why they sell and make squillions. If it was clear cut every time nobody would place a bet or have an opinion.
     
  2. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Crawford is a great fighter no matter which way you slice it. His skills dictate that. Everything he does in that ring is above average. He don't barely win fights. He's stopping people and not with one punch knockouts. He is beating people down and then stopping them. If his opponents are considered not worthy, then he is treating them like that. Yeah, he's a great fighter. Has he achieved greatness? Well, he is undisputed in two different weight classes, something no other male fighter has done in the four belt era. So, how do you measure greatness? You measure greatness by achievements. The man is great. Bottom line.
     
  3. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Including drained weight bullies who were launched 70 feet in the air in a high speed car crash and lost all his teeth when his face hit the cement?
     
  4. lone star

    lone star Active Member Full Member

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    He wa
    he was.
     
  5. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Bud ain't from Philly, doh. Them Philly boys built different, cuh!!!
     
  6. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Who's the poster who they keep trying to lock in an insane asylum again and again and again, going way back in time, for merely speaking the truth and prophesying the future accurately?

    How many times has that poster been proven right when they all said he was wrong or out of his goddamn mind?

    How many times does someone have to be proven right to make you a believer?

    How many times does that person have to accurately predict the future for you to admit they have the gift?

    I know everything about boxing
     
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  7. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Naseem did beat elite fighters who were world champions or former world champions like Kevin Kelley, Wilfredo Vasquez. And if you go back and look at the ratings Naseem beat a handful of top 10 rated fighters, I don't think you'll find many Featherweights in history who beat as many top 10 ranked opponents as Naseem did.

    Naseem didn't beat any great fighters I agree on that but I don't agree with your other statement.

    As for Crawford I agree he hasn't beaten any great fighters either and is lacking stand out wins.
     
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  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    What have I been saying about Spence forever?

    That he's a meat & potatoes fighter or ''basic'' as Bomac described him the other day and that his skills aren't elite

    You can still be very good or great being basic but the way so many banged on about his ''amazing fundamentals'' and how he does everything so well was always comical to me.

    His amazing fundamentals sure didn't look too amazing the other night when he was being completely outclassed and didn't have a clue what to do to make the fight even remotely competitive.

    That was probably Crawford's easiest fight at 147. Porter, Mean Machine, and Benavidez all did way better than him and were competitive throughout and took numerous rounds off him, and Avanesyan did better too. Horn probably did as well. Hell, even the shell of Kell and the ghost of Khan did better against him than Spence did.

    What else have I been saying about him?

    That his lofty P4P ranking was utterly ridiculous and totally unwarranted, and that's back when he was ranked at #6, #7 and #8 and more recently when he was ranked in the top 5. Credible outlets had him as high as 2 or 3 and countless fans had him just as high or even #1. That's insane!

    So when people cite his match up with Crawford being between two top 5 P4P pounders, whilst technically correct, it's only because Spence has been afforded this completely unwarranted and undeserved P4P top 5 ranking. There isn't another fighter in the P4P top 10 he could beat if they were all the same size IMO and he stands zero chance against the ones with special elite skills and qualities.

    I've also been saying that I don't like the way he reacts to getting hit at all and he's the only fighter in the sport I've said this about. He's been hurt a whole bunch of times by light to average punchers and had to spit out his mouthpiece to buy himself time. Ugas hurt him badly with a nothing shot.

    And I've also been saying he's forged a career on facing career 140 pounders, blown up 135 Mikey, and featherfists or average punchers at best and that he's fought very few punchers let alone ones his size and certainly no KO artists his size.

    @CST80 has been saying all this all along too

    He's a very good fighter, arguably a lower end P4P guy, but in no way, shape or form should he ever have been ranked in the top 5, let alone 4, 3, or 2 and so many had him ranked #1 and the best fighter in the sport in their eyes :facepalm:
     
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  9. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I bet on Bud to ko Spence in 8 to 10 rounds, I am The Great and powerful OZ!
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    :lol: Indeed you are
     
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