I have Marquez 1-0-1 against Pac. After that, he's my p4p #1

so then why are pac supporters pointing to ring magazine's rankings as the most legitimate p4p rankings?

what evidence do you have to suggest that their scoring for marquez was biased? maybe you should compare it to all the other ringside experts scoring the bout, about 80% had it for marquez. i guess everyone is owned by gbp?

 

You are wrong and Chert is right. I scored Pac-JMM II for JMM by 1 point, but to even imply that it was a Whitaker-Chavez style robbery is just idiotic. In any fight where there is a single point margin of victory either way, you can't complain if the judges score it the other way by a point. Judging fights is too subjective to go OTT when there is 1 point separating the fighters. I had Whitaker v Chavez 118-110 for Chavez, now that's a scoreline worth creating a fuss over, Pac-JMM II was not.

 

I'd love to know where you get all these percentage statistics from. www.bullshitandlies.com by any chance?? :yep

 

Fair enough, guess I am basing this mainly on I feel JMM edged their 2nd fight.

I agree Pac's last 2 performances were dominating, and weight drained overtrained whatever the beat down he put on oscar who is now a natural 154-er which is a great performance. However I feel dominating David diaz who is slow and static is less impressive than being tied 4-4 rounds and starting to control fight vs juan Diaz then KOing him.

 

**** you. you have no right to call me stupid. i was referring to the poll that asks if the fight was a robbery or not since you say it was. you are referring to a different poll. you are the one who is stupid here. :deal

 

didnt you change your screen name recently? you know, from pacfan or something?

you missed the point entirely. the record books are not the sole judge of superiority, which is hwat pac fans always point to when every other argument gets shot down. you cant point to the judges as competent when it suits you, then claim robbery when it doesn't. think about how many fans blast lderman for his terrible judging one night, then praise him endlessly when he scores in favour of their fighter. anyone who scored the second fight for pac 115-112 is unquestionably incompetent.

calling me a liar? backtrack through this very forum on the night of the fight, and tell me how many people say 'close fight could have gone either way' compared to 'marquez was robbed'.

**** you


this is an endless argument, more and more reasonable fans are avoiding it. when the topic was hot, marquez support was overwhelming. since then its become flooded with *******s spouting the same bull****, its no longer worth the trouble to reply.

go back to the threads from the day of and after the fight, and show me how fans called it a close fight with pac the deserving winner.

 

he doesnt imply it was a whitaker-chaves style robbery, what he is saying is, either you go by the official results or you have some room for "interpretation"

its you who are saying,in pac´s case, we have to go by the books, while in the whitaker case, claiming you dont have to..

 

**** you? Classy.

I don't give a toss what the forum said right after the fight, it was close as hell and even though I scored it for Marquez by a point, anyone calling a fight as close as that a robbery either doesn't know what robbery means or is a fully-blown ********.

 

thanks, exactly.

 

Nope.

I don't care what he says, what I say is that if a scoreline is widely and ridiculously out then yes, people can speak of overturning it, a la Whitaker-Chavez (which I had 118-110). But if a fight was so razor-thin as Marquez-Pac II (which I had 114-113 I think, something like that), then it's really too close and too subjective to start a campaign about it or scream injustice. Judging fights is not a science, when you have a one-point margin of victory it is stupid to outright condemn someone who has it the other way. When you have an 8-point difference, you are perfectly entitled to condemn a judge who has it a draw. That's my opinion, and it has always been my policy on scoring fights, my posting history will verify this.

 

well you replied to his post, so obviously you did care, about what he had to say.


its not a matter of overturning a fights result, through some sort of consensus, its about logics. either you have room for interpretation of all fights or you go by the books, on all fights. you dont get to pick and chose, whenever it suits your point of view.

 

Yes, I do. I do get to pick and choose, that's what I do. When I think a decision is a blatant robbery, I choose to overturn it. When I do not think it is blatant robbery but believe it was a very close fight and there is a legitimate case to be made for either man to be the victor, I think it would be a bit rich to overturn a decision as jugding a fight is a very difficult and subjective thing, and I am not so arrogant as to say I am definitively right on something which is so hard to judge. You disagree with my views, then guess what, I have some good news for you - you don't need to follow the same policy! But I will continue to pick and choose as I see fit, thanks. :good

 

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And Chavez drew with Whitaker, De La Hoya beat Sturm, Trinidad beat De La Hoya, Roy Jones only won silver, Holyfield drew with Lewis, Valuev beat Holyfield, Leonard drew with Hearns (2nd fight), Nelson drew with Fenech, Mayweather only SD'd Hoya etc. etc. etc.

The record books are full of lies, and nobody will ever change them, but people do know the truth.

I scored the second fight for Marquez, and I like Pacquiao a lot more than I do Marquez. That's just the way I saw the fight, and I was very disappointed to hear the result - because I hate seeing fighters who earned a victory have it taken away.

I think they both have a case for P4P#1, but I give a slight edge to Pacquiao.

 

I have Pac 2-0 up on JMM, and I think JMM has a clear style advantage on Pac which if they were on the same level should be enough to give him a clear edge. I also think Pac's career is much better than JMM's although JMM has a had great career so far. Juan Diaz i was never impressed with in his previous fights though last night he did impress me some.



Anyways Pac p4p#1, JMM#2. Thats how it is until we see Hatton vs Pac.