I have one question for you guys: If boxing appreciates boxers, then how did Manny...

THERES NO CONSENSUS U ****. I've seen all types of scores from all types of fans. I've seen knowledgeable posters in Classic score it for Marquez. It means **** all.

Gee I wonder why being only being 3-1-1 against MAB, Morales, and Marquez while Floyd was active didn't get him the #1 PFP spot.

I guess its a mystery :roll:

 

lol...

 

Before Floyd retired he was the p4p king.

In that time Floyd wasn't active,Manny did quite a bit.IMO has earned his spot of p4p.

Now Floyd's back and beat the guy that gave Manny fits in the ring,yet Mayweather made it look easy.

Who can honestly say that Floyd couldn't or hasn't already beat those guys that Pacquiao has beat to earn his spot as p4p?

 

1. 2007 (the only year you could qualify this ****) was a year where Floyd jumped up to 154 to beat Oscar, his biggest win in terms of popularity and therefore was reigning PFP #1.

2. Did I mention 2007 was not a great year for Pac? He only had two fights; defeating Solis and an old Barrera who was coming off a loss in a dull fight. Neither fight gave him an edge over FMJ.

What does give Pac the edge over May is his impressive performances at junior welterweight and welterweight fighting better opposition than Floyd had during his run at those weights. You know all this while Floyd was busy being retired.

Makes sense when you think about it right?

 

Floy doesn't fight back-to-back killers to prove he's pnd for pnd numero uno.Takes one big fight, then retires comes back and fights a blown up featherweight!! He fights for money!! that's it and mosley will yeild that.This is why he voids margarito,cotto and clottey the kid only wants to fight the big names for Money.It's all business at the end of the day. Why get banged up fighting back-to-back killers when you can earn more fighting a 40 year old legend? Mosley is no joke though. I think this is a good fight.

 

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Just a few months ago when Mayweather and Mosley was in the works,alot of people were saying "oh,Floyd will never fight Mosley".Then the fight was in negotiation and people said "Mayweather will never sign the contract".Then when Floyd signed people were saying "Floyd will find a way to back out of the fight with Mosley".

I'm starting to believe Mayweather when he says."Damned if you do,and damned if you dont"."there will always be an excuse when i beat these fighters".-Floyd Mayweather Jr-

 

Same with everyone

"Oscar will destroy Pac"

"Oscar was drained"

"Hatton will give Pac hell"

"Hatton is overrated"

"Cotto will be too strong for Pac"

"Cotto was ruined"

etc etc etc

 

Well,Oscar was drained.Oscar thought he could still make 147lbs but you know somethings wrong when Pacquiao the so called smaller man,comes into the fight weighing more then the 5'101/2" De La Hoya.Somethings also wrong when a fighter has to be rehydrated with an IV minutes before a fight.
Freddy Roach was quoted saying "I could see blood still coming from the IV marks on Oscar's arm when we came to the center of the ring for instructions"."Thats when i new we had him"-Freddy Roach-
Oscar barely made it to 147 on the night of the fight.When did Oscar ever come in that light on fight night at welterweight?

Its not Manny's fault but lets face it,Hatton put his head on a silver platter for Pacquiao.But im not saying that Manny shouldn't get his do for taking care of Hatton the way he did.

IMO Cotto was never the same after the beating he took from Margo.I believe it took something out of Cotto.I also believe that is the fight that i personaly give credit to Manny for beating Cotto the way he did.I would of never thought Pacquiao would be able to walk through Cotto's punches like he did.

I do agree,it does go both ways.

 

The thing about quoting Roach is that he also said before the Oscar fight that he had replayed all the different scenarios in his head and that there was no way in hell that Oscar could beat Pacquiao. That's before we knew about the unofficial weights and before the IV marks.

Hatton puts his head on a silver platter for everyone. He thought he would be able to close the gap on Pacquiao but Pacquiao's footwork, handspeed, and counterpunching was too sharp.

Even if the Margo fight took something out of Cotto he did have 2 tuneups before fighting Pacquiao. One an easy win and one a hard fought win over a very tough opponent. Cotto was not only overpowered in the fight but outsmarted. Pacquiao beat him in every department I don't think Cotto would ever stand a chance against Pac and I think if you rewatch Cotto vs Judah you will agree with me.

So yea it does go both ways and its not just Pac and Flyod but every single fighter.

 

Another thing i dont understand.Why did Pacquiao n team ask for Cotto to come down to 145lbs for Cotto's belt no less.But one fight later,Manny fights Clottey who is known for coming into fights at welterweight weighing well over the 147lb limit at 160lbs.But doesn't ask Clottey to come in at 145lbs?

So Cotto was to big for Manny that they had to ask Cotto to come down acouple pounds.But Clottey,a bigger welterweight than Cotto,is not to big for Manny?

I just figure that a fight as important as a title fight,thats the fight that should have been fought at the proper weight of 147lbs.When Pacquiao didn't have the title.Manny try'n to take the title from the welterweight champ in Cotto.

So Pacquiao got to defend his title at 147lbs,but Cotto didn't?

At the pro level of boxing,doesn't every pound count?

 

What i meant about Cotto was that it took something out of him not just for acouple of fights,but permanently.Having tuneups cant fix what happened to Cotto IMO.I have seen that happen to fighters time again after suffering a vicious KO defeat.

Pac may have still beaten Cotto if they had fought before Cotto suffered being KO'd,but thats something that we realy will never know.

I feel that Cotto still had that killer insticts when he fought Judah.Thats how he won the fight.

I here what your saying though.