I have one question for you guys: If boxing appreciates boxers, then how did Manny...

Ok back to the topic at hand. Here's the reasons that Pac deserves FOTD over Floyd without any biased hating:

The first reason is mainly the fact that Floyd's dicking around at 147 since his debut there back in 2005(or 2006 I forget) has nearly ruined all the good work he did prior to arriving there. His wins were impressive and dominant but the simple fact of the matter is that HE WASN'T FIGHTING THE GREATEST THREATS OUT THERE. He was like a college grad acing highschool exams when he should be doing a thesis towards his Doctorate. And no, happening to be the undisputed welter champ OR former undisputed welter champ doesn't automatically make you the best available out there. Sure there's no reason not to fight the Judahs and Baldomirs....they had belts at one point but the fact of the matter was they exhibited fatal flaws before even climbing into the ring with Floyd that screamed out they could only dream of beating him(Judah's weak mental focus and Baldomir's lack of speed and versatility....all fatal flaws against a fighter of Floyd's caliber) And once he beat them there was no reason not to fight the Cottos, Margaritos, Mosleys and Williams(I'm sorry but losses and "I would beat them anyway" do not count. Dominating a guy who's last fight was a division above his best weight of 130 and then asking him to go up to a 144 lb catchweight that wasn't honored doesn't do too much either(not anything compared to Floyd's virtuoso performance against Corrales). It's not hate it's harsh reality of how Floyd has not maximized his stay at 147 like he really should have. What he did is would be amazing for say a Luis Collazo or Alphonso Gomez, but because of the immense talent and potential Floyd has it doesn't cut it....especially when considering his ATG status.

If anyone told me back when Floyd debuted at 147 that one day Pac would dominate guys at the same division i would have laughed myself unconscious and asked what industrial chemical vapors that person was huffing. He was rightfully the underdog in every matchup he fought above 135 and he dominated spectacularly. Then the excuses came out to discredit those wins....even if the guys he fought were elite.

One more thing. There should be no stipulation on what style the fighter uses that is considered or selected to be FOTY or FOTD. It's all about resume and results of the fights(and of fights not taken) No one style should be favored(boxer, brawler, pressure fighter, bomber) It's about what you did against who in the ring. And record(such as number of losses) should not cause anyone to be excluded. Sugar Ray Robinson could easily be considered FOTC(Fighter of the Century fyi) and the man had double digit losses. But oh what a resume he had....full of all sorts of dangerous fighters.

 

:deal :good Good post dude now prepare to get flamed by the *****s!

 

Let's revel in their Floyd sack-blinded logic. I don't hate Floyd either but my conclusion is based on what has and has not transpired since he started fighting at 147.

If I didn't want to get flamed I'd never post because SOMEONE SOMEHOW is not gonna like whatever you say inspite of how well unbiased logic and use of facts are used in constructing your argument! :deal

 

Let's talk credibility here. The Ring Magazine? Or ESB's own Jaguar? :think atsch

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All image use is for reference only. Full article by Jim Bagg can be found on The Ring Magazine April 2010 edition page 124.

 

You forget that Pac already had MAB*2, Morales* 2 and JMM on his record. He was in contention for p4p #1 whilst PBF was fighting BEFORE Pac beaten those names. Those names were additions to his legacy, not the base. Also what he was doing was shocking, as shocking as Floyd jumping to MW now and dominating the division.

You have 0 proof Hatton was better at 147, except for your bias opinion. I can back my opinion up with facts as to why Hatton was better at 140, Hatton says so and his record says so.

Oscar didnt complain about the weight. People made those complaints afterwards in order to justify their disbelief and being proven so wrong. His trainer didnt complain about the weight either.

 

Decade=10 years. Floyd only fought 8 years. Math: Its that easy.

 

Agreed. He was also p4p best fighter in the world 4 3 yrs and never lost it. Pac has only been p4p best in the world 4 bout 2 and that was by default cos floyd retired. Until floyds retirement floyd had been ranked in the best 10 fighters p4p in the world the whole decade. How did he not get fighter of the decade. He was more dominant.

 

The ring magazine is so pro pacquaio as much as i lik him as a fighter and a person its riduculous. He was given the third best ww of the decade behind shane and floyd. Wtf he only fought on real ww. The other fighter was a drained light middle. How does work out. That means 2 fights wud of made him the best ww of the decade. He also had1 fight at lww and was ranked 4th best of the decade. He was ranked above timothy bradley who has neaten the top guys at that weight. How does that work out. He was ranked best super featherweight of the decade which i can see though that postion cud be given to floyd, though he did most his work there at the end of the 90s, and marquez. He was ranked the second best featherwight of the decade when i personally think barrera was a better fw than pac. He accomplished more at that weight so dont understand y he ranks above him. So wat the ring mag says bout floyd doesnt matter bcos they r so pro pac their opinion shudnt even count.

BTW i aint hatin on pac cos i am not a hater despite bein a huge floyd fan but just tellin it lik it is.

 

So... Floyd too.

 

joyboy's could not comprehend this. they all believe the gossips circulating around that pac was the one who killed the fight when we have an article from the ring mag itself saying it was floyd who did not made a counter-offer.

they will resort to their own propaganda.

 

Read my post on the ring mag. U will see how pro pac it is makin it completely unreliable. It was pac who moved onto another opponent, not mayweather.

 

how can you fight someone who don't want to make a counter-offer? and ring mag is owned by oscar who is currently floyd's promoter. if there would be any bias, it should be for floyd's side but no, ring mag just stating what they know as facts here. the bible of boxing is not perfect but i would rather believe it than some random opinions of ESB posters here like jaguar.

 

Mayweather's 14 day offer was a compromise from 0 days. Remember that Floyd wanted random testing up to the day of the fight. That article (at least what you show of it) does not mention that. Nor does it mention Mayweather's compromise on the USADA issue. Floyd's original stance of random testing up to the day of the fight is well known and well documented. Do you accept this fact, or do I need a link or magazine article?

I don't know. Floyd is still waiting on Manny's counter offer.

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: 30 days. However, after blood draw video taken 24 days before the Hatton fight is shown, Pacquiao comes to mediation with a new offer of 24 days.

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24 days.

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14 days.

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??????????? (Lies, Excuses, Contradictions and eventually Clottey.)

 

are you present during the negotiations? how did you know that it was the correct sequence? i would rather believe the ring magazine than some poster who licks floyd's butt.

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Are you blind? There are so many sources saying that that is the correct sequence. There are hundreds of them.

Ok wait for Jaguar to give you links to reliable sources. That should shut you up you'll see. :deal