I hope Kessler and Taylor win..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by nervousxtian, Sep 21, 2007.


  1. lenzo

    lenzo Lenzo Full Member

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    Calzaghe piter pats with his fragile hands, Kessler may walk right through him.
    I give credit to Taylor for winning against Bhop and Winky, but I disagreed with all the scorecards. Taylor got lucky both times. He hasn't really bested anyone in a few years, no blowouts so he's struggling to hold onto his belt.
     
  2. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Bernard was elite, but he got old, and just because you beat a guy who was elite doesn't in turn make you elite. If JT would of beat Hopkins and Winky convincingly then he'd be considered elite, but he didn't, but he's close, but still a big win away.

    Same with Kessler, and I would call Joe C elite at this point on the fact of longevity, but I'd call him fading elite, much like Hopkins was.

    Other elite guys out there now:

    Vasquez, Maywhether, Calderon, Pacman, Cotto, Mosley, Juan Diaz, and a few others.. but there is truly only a handful of elite guys across all the divisons.
     
  3. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Ah, analysation, best set for a thread that wasn't started by a certain Nervous Christian.:yep
     
  4. tays001

    tays001 ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    yeah JC would beat them bad
     
  5. Grabonator

    Grabonator Active Member Full Member

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    Andrade might be stronger than Ouma, but Ouma is much faster and more skilled, harder to outbox. Andrade is not good at all.
     
  6. lillarry

    lillarry Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :amen
     
  7. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Kessler and Taylor will win. I'm sticking to my story :yep :bbb
     
  8. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    On the B-Hop over Calzaghe fight? I think it'd be a much tougher fight for Calzaghe then he or you'd anticipate. Hopkins is way craftier than Joe, and he'd test Joe's stamina, and make Joe miss a lot and of course make it dirty.

    I could see the style being all wrong for Joe. Again styles make fights, but then again Joe could win against Hopkins as well, because again Hopkins is old, but Joe ain't the same guy he was 5 years ago either.

    As far as Taylor against Joe? I'm not sure anymore, I'm just not convinced that Taylor is terrible, I think he's good, but I'm with you in that he needs a big definitive win, and he hasn't had one in awhile, but I had him winning all those fights.

    I'm just not convinced that Pavlik is the guy who can beat Taylor, as Pavlik has been very protected and has been hurt himself, and can be very very raw at times.

    I see Taylor winning the fight, but would I be completely surprised if he lost? No.
     
  9. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    Yes, we are on the same page, Amsterdam, but the hordes of the unenlightened keep on coming...
     
  10. Grabonator

    Grabonator Active Member Full Member

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    BTW people are critizising taylor for fightin junior middleweights, these guys might not be as strong as Taylor but they are slick and fast, and size is overrated anyway. At heavyweight there are often fights between guys with big size differences, but often the smaller guys win. Spinks and Ouma are much better fighters than Andrade, Taylor has really beaten the better opposition so far. Kessler is a verry good fighter but has not impressed me so far like other guys have.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Juan Diaz is a true elite? Damn, you have low standards.

    How about Vasquez, that can be argued honestly, considered he and Marquez showcased no defence what so ever, even though both are 'offensive gems'.

    Calderon? Definitley a special fighter, but a true elite? He has yet to fight any of the real top classes in the divisions he has fought in, his latest victory was impressive because of the weight, but he nearly got taken out and only marginally won and against a guy who never fought even above the B level. But you of course say he's elite off of what you have 'heard', not what you have observed.

    Mayweather, Cotto, Pacman - Check, I absolutely agree with this, all are fantastic.

    Mosely - Hmm, definitley a former elite, but aging and a close bout with a shot Vargas in the first one can be used as an indicator, even though he disposed of Vargas handily in the next and defeated Collazo. I guess this one is still a question mark, seeing as I can see 4 or 5 of the welters beating him with ease at this point, including Cotto, which is coming up.
     
  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    How is Hopkins going to test Joe's stamina when he himself was tiring out against Winky? Joe has ENDLESS stamina.

    Hopkins' style also doesn't match up well against Joe's anyway due to the workrate and inside fighting skill of Joe, not to mention speed. Joe is equally as good at working inside of a clinch and Hopkins is an old fighter at this point.

    Pavlik will win and he will do so just like I have said he will for the last 2 months, then maybe you will think twice before insulting me and writing my analysis' off.:yep
     
  13. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Mosley will be considered elite again until he loses. That's how it works.

    I do believe that Juan Diaz is elite. 6 title defenses over 3 years, and dominating Frietas and Cotto.

    I'd pick him over any Lightweight in the world, including Cassamayor at this point.
     
  14. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    The same Joe Calzaghe who recently struggled against Saiko Bika?

    Let's use the same standard across the board. You sure like to excuse the flaws of your guy while talking **** about other fighters.
     
  15. Mrvooh

    Mrvooh Guest

    I agree, as usual with you, but i think kessler will be tougher to beat than most Calzaghe fans believe.