I just can't see Pavik beating Hopkins

It really requires Pavlik to land something big in the first couple of rounds before Bernard has enough time to adapt to him.

Pavlik has won most of his fights, even the tough ones, on sheer will power, determination and no shortage of punching power, not sure that's enough against B-Hop.

 

1 fight and he's no longer a later rd fighter atsch

 

The ONE area of difference between the 15-20% who believe Hopkins won the fight was the later rounds, they believed he took 11 and 12.

As did Enzo Calzaghe at the time.

 

His physicality-- whether at long range with the power at the end of his punches, or inside the clinches-- will be too much for this version of Bernard.

To beat Bernard you need 3 things IMO. You need his respect, a high activity level, and physicality. Pavlik has all three of these charachteristics in abundance. Taylor troubled him because of his youth and good power (Bernard was hesitant to engage). Calzaghe troubled him with his activity level. Calzaghe lacked the youth and physicality to wear him out. Pavlik has all of these things. He will be troubled at first, but his power and physicality will have Bernard fatigued through the mid stretch of the fight and Bernard will be hesitant to engage him after feeling his power. Pavlik is the younger, better fighter at this point.

 

I just don't by the whole Hopkins stamina problem thats all ...Hopkins is one of the best conditioned boxers in and outside of the ring ..Calzaghe just proved to crafty even for Hopkins ..If we were talking Tarver I would say hell yeah .

 

Younger, yes.
Higher workrate, yes.
Stamina, probably.

But better fighter?

Unlike Calzaghe, who has an insane ability to avoid punches while throwing his flurries, Pavlik is hittable in my view man, he's a guy that you can open up on if he opens up on you.

The one area Calzaghe had success was when he did get Hopkins to come forward and throw a combination, he countered and hammered Hopkins. That to me was the difference maker because it made Hopkins a little weary to throw the right hand he had early success with.

Can Pavlik do the same?

I hope so, but I don't see it.

 

Thats a ver good analysis. I agree.

 

So far, when confronted, they all deny it.

Here's a couple basic facts:

Calzaghe relys on speed, stamina, and work rate to win fights. All this adjusting he supposedly does doe not actually happen. Joe, to his credit, just picks up the pace and overwhelms opponents with speed and workrate. His admirable stamina allows him to keep up a fast pace for 12 busy rounds. He's very sloppy and innacurate, but he does show a willingness to leave absolutely everything in the ring. Against BHop I don't think he landed a single effective punch. He won because BHop, at 43, could not keep up the pace Joe set.

Pavlik relys on power, work rate, stamina, accuracy, physical strength, and really solid fundamentals to win fights. He also listens to his corner, and does exactly what they tell him too. Against Hopkins he will enjoy a significant arm length advantage; something Joe did not have. Pavlik is far more accurate than Calzaghe. He also hits much harder, and according to several past opponents, he has WAY faster hands than his detractors give him credit for.

Pavlik and Calzaghe are completely different fighters. Joe's abysmall performance against BHop has nothing to do with how Pavlik will perform.

 

I don´t think Bernard has really opened up on someone for a long time. He barely shows willingess to follow the lead right with a left hook anymore, its just punch and clinch.

 

I can see Kelly winning.

It wont be pretty though.

 

This much is certain ..This will be amore competitve fight thats of course if Hopkins is not allowed to clinch ..

 

Excellent post. I would give Joe some higher marks for accuracy (not in the last match), but overall you hit the nail on the head.

Solid fundamentals, lenght, power, jab, conditioning, youth.

 

okay -- all this agreement between you and I is just WRONG. Maybe we should both log out!:yep

People keeping bringing up Joe's win as if it is somehow relevant. We're talking about two fighters who are VERY different. The following terms may seem a bit simplistic, but for the sake of brevity I'll use them anyway.

JC is a speedster. Pavlik is a stalker.

JC is a distance fighter. Pavlik is a KO artist.

JC is awkward. Pavlik is very orthodox.

JC likes to swarm. Pavlik is systematic.

JC is a southpaw. KP is ambedextrious, but never fights southpaw.

Any fan worth his salt could add to this list.

 

Im just trying to show the younger generation of boxing fan that u can have a disagreement but eventually find a common ground on a sport we clearly all love ..Can't we all just get along :rofl Im sure though as the fight gets closer we will have disagrements ...I promise