I just dont see how Floyd beats Pacquiao based on this performance

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by rayrobinson, Sep 19, 2011.


  1. Pimp C

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    Pac doesn't have the technical abailty to beat PBF why can't you guys see that? He's too flawed. He leaves himself open for counters. PBF is a big strong WW with a big reach advantage he can fight at all ranges unlike Pac and he can fight backing up. Pac's workrate will drop and he will be frustrated like evryone else at his inability to hit PBF clean after that he's done. PBF will turn it up and embarrass him, he can't KO PBF and he can't outbox him either. Pac ain't got **** for PBF he better stick to fighting slow guys and guys who are there to be hit because if he steps in the ring with PBF that's his ass.
     
  2. buckdacious

    buckdacious Sin~City punks!!! Full Member

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    He doesnt just stand there. Ortiz landed 18 punches, Marquez didnt land anything. his defense is great and its not just his shoulder roll so I dont know what your watching. People that just stand there are Clottey and Margarito who was 2 of Pacs last 3 oppenetes...easy fights!

    Pacquiao will give Mayweather a little trouble but not much. Mayweather has fought southpaws, bigger guys, as fast or even faster (Judah was preety damn fast) and way better defensive fighters then Pac. Edge has to go to Mayweather. does that mean Pac cant win...NO!! But Mayweather is a whole new breed of a fighter Pac has ever faced. and fighting an old Mosley, a pounching bag Margarito and Clottey are not the way to get ready for May. Thats why I have my thoughts if Pac really wants the fight. at least Mayweather fought a southpaw saturday
     
  3. bballchump11

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  4. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Man I do question your understanding of boxing . Length or ****ing arm????? Oscar had a 6 inch reach advantage over Manny , Shane had a 7 inch advantage. Both got ****ed up .

    By your rationale Paul williams would be p4p number 1.

    Sloppy combo's and sloppy feet???

    You dont punch that hard and that clean with poor footwork, also nobody throws better combinations in the business that Manny , even a hardened Floyd fan should be able to appreciate that.

    Floyd loses in a classic , but still loses.
     
  5. Pimp C

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    And neither of thess guys fight tall. Oscar did have a jab but he was shot when Pac fought him Molsey is nothing but a slugger with speed who was also done. What you fail to understand is that PBF can fight tall and uses his reach. You don't think he will make Pac pay for having lunge in with sick counters? I'm starting to think you don't understand boxing with stuff like that.
     
  6. Nay_Sayer

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    You are seriously delusional.

    A) Floyd has stopped guys who outweigh Manny by 20 pounds on fight night.
    B) Floyd was able to *easily* neutralize the right hook and straight left hand of Ortiz. Floyd took 95% of Ortiz' offense away in the first two rounds.
    C) You must be blind. Floyd was walking Ortiz down while at the same time nulfying his offense.

    Ortiz didn't win a single round. Pacquiao doesn't stand a chance and will be eating Floyd's right hand and left hook all night.
     
  7. sdsfinest22

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    Styles make fights..Your opinion of a Pac Ortiz fight is very nice..

    With that said, Floyd would box off his "back foot" more than his "front foot" against Manny....HE WOULD MIX IT UP AT TIMES, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY MAKE PAC UNCOMFORTABLE IMO.....COME FORWARD AT TIMES AND HE'D MOVE AT TIMES..BUT FOR THE MOST PART HE WOULD BE BOXING OFF HIS BACK FOOT, MOVING AGAINST PAC AS OPPOSED TO WALKING HIM DOWN...

    Also, based on Sat nights performance....YOU ONLY SAW A DIFFERENT STYLE...CHECK THE #'S THOUGH...The #'s show Floyd was his same oldself....JUST COMING FORWARD BEHIND A RIGHT HAND AND JAB...

    Floyd would also fight much taller against Manny..something he didn't attempt against Ortiz (as he was shorter than Ortiz)....Floyd would be using the Rt hand and Jab to keep Pac away, rather than use it to set up hard right hands and quick left hooks while walking to him such as he did with Ortiz...

    IF ANYTHING, FLOYD SHOWED HE IS EVEN MORE VERSATILE...HE WAS BANGING WITH A GUY WHO LIKES TO BANG...SOMETHING WE SAID HE WOULD NOT DO PRE MOSLEY...Lets just remember HE CAN FIGHT OFF HIS BACK FOOT STILL..I DOUBT HIS "LEGS ARE GONE" AND THATS WHY HE DOESN'T....:hat
     
  8. bballchump11

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    The only 1 of those guys who use their length in the fight was Mosley :patsch
     
  9. Joker

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    the money that fought on saturday night would of destroyed any version of poochiao. Real talk
     
  10. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd is give or take the best tecnical fighter I have seen he really is, but there are just some fighters for what ever reason who just put it all together .

    In every department I agree Floyd is better , but then the whole mix is different, and this is the reason it is ****ing with Floyds head not the drugs.

    Jack Nicklaus , greater golfer of all time didnt have the best technical swing of all time , there were others who were better , he was greater.
     
  11. Concrete

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    To say the least I would be interesting to see how Pac handles someone with elite hand speed.
     
  12. Boxing Fanatic

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    pac has been fighting weight drained fighters, guys coming off losses, shot, fighters beaten up before he fights them,. he fought 2 close fights with jmm and a lot of people had jmm beating him in both fights. floyd is way better than marquez is. pac dont stand a chance.
     
  13. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Im not debating with you as to if he has poor footwork..his footwork is good for his style..technically speaking its flawed and so are his combos...

    SEE HOW MANY TIMES HE MISSES COMBOS AGAINST AN OLD SHANE MOSLEY...

    SEE HOW MANY TIMES HE RUNS IN OFF BALANCE AGAINST MARQUEZ AND COTTO...

    Floyd fights tall too..He is excellent at it...Shane nor Oscar fight tall..Oscar bends his neck at times....Shane has never been known to fight tall...

    Floyd can and will fight tall...Floyd will control the footwork which will control the tempo of the fight imo......:thumbsup
     
  14. rayrobinson

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    You mentioned length of arm man not me , I was merely pointing out that it didnt make a difference. Corrales tried to fight tall against Floyd look what happend there and at the time probably had a longer reach.

    Its the speed and timing that matters and right now Manny has the edge.
     
  15. irishny

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    So the 3rd best welterweight in the world, who outweighed Floyd by 14 lbs, is only a club fighter???

    The guy was the best welterweight in the world not called Manny that Floyd could have fought,and you think hes a club fighter?:patsch