I just dont see how Floyd beats Pacquiao based on this performance

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  1. mking

    mking Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We will never know!
     
  2. BodyBlaster

    BodyBlaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Guess you missed both Marquez fights,especially the 1st fight, and Morales and he sure ran out of ideas v Clottey.
    Pac was completely clueless as what do after failing to finish Marquez in the 1st.
    Mayweather beats Pac easily.
     
  3. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    WTF are you talking about?

    When did Pacquiao get Erik in trouble during the first fight?

    In the first Marquez fight, Pacquiao put Marquez down THREE times in the FIRST round yet Marquez was able to earn a DRAW. What does that tell you, Genius?
     
  4. kalunya5964

    kalunya5964 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd counters with single shots, JMM counters with 3-5 punch combinations. JMM is a much better counterpuncher that Floyd that why he was able to hang with Pac!
     
  5. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    100%
     
  6. bahobilat

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    if only obama can order void to fight pac, it would a national disgrace for void not to fight a midget.
     
  7. Gander Tasco

    Gander Tasco Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok bro you keep saying Manny is smaller then Victor, but when did size ever become a factor in that fight? Whether Ortiz was bigger or smaller then Floyd it would have gone the same way. The fact is Ortiz is b-level, and he's no where near Pacquiao's level. PAcquiao isn't going to stand around squared up and get teed off on by telegraphed right hands like Victor was. He knows how to box well, and if Floyd wants to be aggressive Pacquiao will make him pay for that. And your never going to get this , but there are things that Floyd does habit-wise that wouldn't do him any favors against Pacquiao , that includes being too flat footed, not ever moving laterally, going behind a shell everytime he gets hit instead of throwing back , etc. It's tough fight for Floyd and that's why he's created so much bull**** instead of just making the fight happen .
     
  8. Ai-edy2007

    Ai-edy2007 STOCKTON 209 MOTHER****ER Full Member

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    Anybody who believes manny will beat floyd is straight up ******ed its not going to happen, and if it did Floyd all day! everyday!
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    Floyd CAN box on his toes..HE CAN switch it right back up to the Baldomir style.

    It would be alot easier to control Manny though..Manny does not have the arm length that Victor has...FLOYD IS MOS DEF NOT FLAT FOOTED LMFAO.....

    THE FIGHT HASN'T HAPPENED CUZ THE TESTS HAVE NOT BEEN ACCEPTED (THAT MAY HAVE CHANGED NOW THOUGH)

    The right hands were definitely not telegraphed:deal There were times where Floyd would shoot it out, and then shoot it again unexpectedly..

    Pac has a great style for Floyd..tailor made IMO...All that side to side movement that Pac does, will allow Floyd to drop that back foot 45 degrees and turn Manny...

    Technically speaking Pac is in for a very long night..FLOYDS REACH AND BETTER FOOTWORK WILL BE TOO MUCH...

    ALSO...FLOYD WONT FIGHT MANNY COMING FORWARD..HE'LL FIGHT OFF HIS BACK FOOT:deal.
     
  10. Gander Tasco

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    I've heard this time and time again, but Floyd fought every southpaw the same way. You all said that he was gonna box victor , since Victor is aggressive, but he didn't . Why not? This is just Floyd's style, he's not a fluid boxer /' mover like a Leonard orsomething. He likes to plant his feet, fight in the pocket, pick off or counter your shots. So in that sense, yes he is a bit flat footed. And the biggest thing is that he very rarely moves laterally, especially against southpaws. He has a habit of going back and forth in straight lines. He doesn't keep his lead foot on the outside, which is a must against Pacquiao. Look at every time Victor became aggressive and Floyd ran straight backwards into the ropes, instead of fighting back. That'll get him in trouble against Pacquiao.

    The reach wont be a problem bc Pacquiao knows how to get inside. He doesnt just walk in like Victor Ortiz, he'll come in behind feints. He'll be expecting the right hand counters from Floyd unlike Ortiz who has really no clue how to box. And yeah a lot of those right hands from FLoyd were obvious and telegraphed. Ortiz just doesnt know how to box, he can only fight in close and brawl.
     
  11. sdsfinest22

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    BRO YOUR CRAZY..JUST CUZ HE FIGHTS ONE FIGHTER ONE WAY DOES NOT MEAN HE WILL FIGHT ANOTHER FIGHTER THATS A LEFT HANDED FIGHTER TOO THAT SAME WAY.

    FLOYD IS A CLASSIC BOXER WHEN HE WANTS TO BE; HE JUST HAS NOT SHOWCASED IT SINCE THE HATTON FIGHT.

    Floyd did BOX OFF HIS FRONT FOOT AGAINST JMM, MOSLEY, AND ORTIZ..

    HE CAN STILL BOX OFF HIS BACK FOOT THOUGH..HE CAN DO IT JUST LIKE HE DID IT WITH OSCAR AND WITH CARLOS BALDOMIR.

    I disagree with your entire analysis and break down of the fight..

    Sorry bro but I go to a boxing gym daily...No where have I ever heard an argument like this..

    I think it does not go anything like what your saying..THE FACT THAT YOUR SUGGESTING FLOYD DOES NOT MOVE IS STUPID..HE MAY HAVE NOT BEEN A MOVER IN RECENT FIGHTS..FLOYD CAN STILL BOX THOUGH..HE JUST CHOOSES NOT TO.

    FLOYD WOULD BE ABLE to drop that back foot AND TURN HIS BODY AT ABOUT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE ALMOST EVERYTIME PAC RUNS IN WITH THE SLOPPY FOOTWORK..

    AND TO SUGGEST THAT PAC WONT HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE ARM LENGTH, ESPECIALLY WHEN FLOYD KNOWS HOW TO FIGHT TALL...COULDNT DISAGREE MORE THERE MAN...FLOYD WILL USE HIS REACH TO HIS ADVANTAGE..YOUR TRYING TO DEBATE WITH ME AS TO HOW FLOYD WILL FIGHT.........THAT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE ARGUMENT AT HAND.

    I THINK YOUR ANALYSIS IS WAY OFF BRO..MOST WILL AGREE TO. THE TELEGRAPHED THING TOO..WOW...NAH MAN...IM NOT EVEN DEBATING ABOUT THAT...THOSE WERE GOOD SHOTS THAT WERE NOT TELEGRAPHED; MOST OF EM ANYWAYS..I MEAN AT ONE POINT FLOYD SHOT 3 RIGHT HANDS OUT IN A ROW...LMFAO "TELEGRAPHED"

    GOOD POST BUT I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE..I SEE IT NOTHING LIKE WHAT YOUR SAYING AS YOU DONT EVEN ADMIT THAT FLOYD WOULD USE HIS ARM LENGTH TO HIS ADVANTAGE; LOL.
     
  12. Gander Tasco

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    ^ I'm not saying floyd doesnt move, but he plants his feet a lot, especially when he's goes into a defensive mode. He's stays behind a shell. The guys who gave Pacquiao trouble didn't do that, they moved laterally and stayed away from his left hand. Floyd likes to fight you straight up, block / counter and make you miss. But he gives very little lateral movement.

    And you keep saying he can fight southpaws on the backfoot but he's never done it before. So you have no evidence of that. He's always aggressive against lefties. If he could box them better on the backfoot he would have done it already, especially against someone like Ortiz who is aggressive. And Floyd is not a classic boxer , he's a very methodical defensive fighter / counter puncher who likes to potshot. A classic boxer is a Ray Leonard type or an Eric Morales / Marquez. Floyd is not that.
     
  13. SuperiorBeen

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    With a sucker punch. Cortez distracts Manny and Floyd strikes when least expected. He already did that with Gatti and Ortiz...Hahaha!
     
  14. Toopretty

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    there is a youtube vid that show may/pac vs mosley back to back... Mayweather will dominate pac. The ivd shows how pac literally had to run at mosley to close distance. Mosley is no counter puncher.. Floyds footwork in his fight was the best in boxing. Floyd can fight taller than he is and his and is 20 times more coordinated than pac who bust his ass trying to hit mosley. If mosley was a counter puncher that would be a punch knocking road runner pac down.
     
  15. CoDer

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    How do you fight a guy who runs away?

    Maybe you're watching a different fight.