I just got finished watching Pac-Morales and Pac-JMM and I've come to this...

Blue_Ray · Jul 25, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

conclusion. Pac can't beat Floyd. While Pac has gotten better, he is still easy to hit when fighters stand their ground and fight smart, and stay in front of him. Morales gave Pac a good washing over, and JMM just painted Pac beautifully in their rematch. In order to beat Pac, you have to take him a few rounds, and make Pac the aggressor so that you can counter his aggression with your counter punching, nd Floyd is at his best when doing this. You can't go in thinking that Pac is small, and just try to over power him. Pac is dangerous early when he can use his speed and power. After you take him some rounds, the luster is gone, and Pac becomes ordinary. It showed in the Larios fight also.

Floyd is more prepared for a fight with Pac than Pac is prepared for a fight with Floyd. Floyd has fought good southpaw fighters in the past, and imo that prepares him for Pac... Pac's last 3 opponents have made Pac look like superman, but he is ordinary against guys who can actually box. One thing I did notice about Pac in the Morales fight was that he stayed in the pocket and didn't quit, and tried his best to counter Morales while in the pocket even with the bad cut. Floyd goes to the body in every fight, and that is what Cotto has to do-early. You have to get Pac to fight flat footed. When Pac is allowed to jump around, jump in and out, he is hard to beat. slow Pac down early like Morales and JMM did, and you'll be successful.

You have to make Pac come at you, and counter to the head first, then the body to off set PAc's swarming style at times. Starting in round 1, fuk feeling your opponent out...start the body attack early against Pac. Pick your shots, and get out of harms way. Let some rounds go by. Once Pac gets going, it is hard to stop him. Don't let him get going at all.
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easier said than done, i should say. one common impression that fighters who lost to Pac would say: "He's very fast. I can't see his punches coming." I don't know how you can solve that, my friend. Fast handspeed from all angles.

TroubleLurks · Jul 25, 2009

How can anyone have a rational conversation with this guy? Props for trying.

Silvermags · Jul 25, 2009

Nestea said: ↑

This is for you Nallege

But probably you won't read it because you might read THE REALITY and poof you out on your FANTASY LAND.

Are African-American boxers jealous of Pacquiao?
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...5-Are-AfricanAmerican-boxers-jealous-Pacquiao

When Nate Campbells trainer John David Jackson offered the statement that Manny Pacquiao has avoided African-American boxers, his ward backed him up in an interview I conducted with him last month saying,

It was a good comment. You tell me one African-American fighter hes (Pacquiao) fought.

My fellow Examiner Michael Marley described the issue as the Dumbest Topic in Boxing for 2008. Although its more of 2009 when Jackson made the statement, I cant say I disagree with the White Gorilla. Frankly, race issues are old news. Racism shouldnt have a place in the sport at all especially when minorities dominate boxing and on the issue that Pacquiao is avoiding African-American fighters, to me its really more of an issue about the lack of big African-American names in the lower weight classes. I guess if you want to insist Pacquiao ducked African-American boxers at least you know he fought the best competition instead.

But since some say its valid to question the ethnicities of Pacquiaos opponents, and I have offered my opinion about the matter in the past, Timothy Bradleys comments during his recent conference call had me thinking. He said,

Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter supposedly whatever. Hes the poster kid. Hes not fighting the best in the division, though. Hes fighting bigger fighters who are cutting weight and chopping them up because theyre weakened coming down in weight.

Last time I checked, Pacquiao fought one fighter that came down in weight and that was Oscar De la Hoya, and De la Hoya claimed he was in the best shape of his life and that he had felt stronger than ever. Pacquiao became the number one 140 pounder by dominating and destroying the former consensus champ in Ricky Hatton in two spectacular rounds after a long string of success in the neighboring divisions. And Cotto cutting down two pounds doesnt really mean hes weight-drained. In fact, its the most dangerous fight out there for Pacquiao because Cotto is naturally so much bigger and stronger than anyone he has faced. Theres a reason why De la Hoya and Mayweather avoided Cotto for so long. But thats for a different article on a different day.

Now I pose this question. Are African-American boxers, throw in the trainers as well, avoiding giving Pacquiao high praise? Are they jealous of Pacquiaos success? Of course Im not including 100% of the population when I say this but its just ironic that most of Pacquiaos detractors are African-Americans in the boxing game who speak of themselves in superlatives and hyperboles and consider themselves whether realistically or not, as the best.

Elaborate you ask?

Okay, lets start with none other than Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself. Throw in his uncle/trainer and dad in it with him as well and you got the unholy trinity of the Anti-Pacs. Of course you got Nate Campbell and John David Jackson. I guess you can add Emmanuel Steward to that list as well as I recall his comments on HBO and my interview with him when he said he thought Pacquiao is getting too much credit for his victory over De la Hoya. And now Timothy Bradley to the list of doubter. They seem to keep pointing out that Pacquiao simply beat weight-drained fighters and throw half-baked compliments only to be followed by buts.

Isnt it because the sport that once was dominated by African-American figures is now being captivated by a small, soft-spoken Filipino?

Pacquiao you can say is the anti-black fighter. He is the opposite of what the previous African-American poster boys of boxing were. Pacquiao doesnt talk much outside the ring and is as humble as they come. Instead of the swag and trash-talking like how Money May and The Galaxxy Warrior or Roy Jones Jr. and Muhammad Ali perfected before them, Pacquiao redirects the glory to the man upstairs and his countrymen and opts not to speak negatively about his adversaries.

Are they seeing something most fight fans do not when they belittle Pacquiao? Or are they simply hating because Pacquiao seems to be king of the boxing world as of the moment? If anything, Pacquiao has a huge African-American following. His admirers range from Denzel Washington to Kobe Bryant down to Shawn Merriman and a lot of other high-profile athletes. Last time I checked, Floyd Mayweather Jr. used to be one of them too. He was even jumping up-and-down when Pacquiao knocked Morales out in one of their fights. I have a lot of black friends and they all love Pacquiao as well.

So what happened?

Is the admiration Pacquiao is getting, together with the perks and riches that come with it, that got these other guys salivating to get a piece of that cake? As most suspect and would suggest, maybe these guys just want to get paid and be next in line for the Manny Pacquiao sweepstakes.

Love him or hate him, Pacquiao is here to stay. He will dominate internet articles and covers of boxing magazines because boxing is still a getting a$$es on them seats business, and Pacquiao does it better than anybody in the game right now because of his fighting style and the excitement he brings every time he fights. The real concern is the dwindling population of African-American boxing fans. Kimbo Slice is arguably more popular than Floyd Mayweather Jr. nowadays, especially with the younger demographic.

If Timothy Bradley, Nate Campbell and all these other African-American fighters want to really help their case, they simply have to step their games up and get their fans back into the sport to back them up. All the talking means nothing if they fail to bring the goods like when Campbell didnt even make the weight in his last fight against Funeka or when Mayweather's big fight end up becoming snoozers like his "The World Awaits" performance against De la Hoya.

The proof is in the pudding, in the words of NBA writer and analyst Steven A. Smith whom I spoke to in Las Vegas during my NBA writing days.

You can hate all you want, but youre just wasting your time.

At the end of the day, theres really only one African-American fighter we all want Pacquiao to face, and you already know his name. Let me guarantee you though, it's because of his skill, and not the color of his skin.
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GREAT POST nestea! :thumbsup

I wonder what he'll say?!.....Will he answer intellegently?! Will he start name calling to avoid discussion, will your post just be ignored or will he just bash somebody to redirect attention on some else... interesting post by NESTEA!

Nestea · Jul 26, 2009

Silvermags said: ↑

GREAT POST nestea! :thumbsup

I wonder what he'll say?!.....Will he answer intellegently?! Will he start name calling to avoid discussion, will your post just be ignored or will he just bash somebody to redirect attention on some else... interesting post by NESTEA!
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Probably all of it.

Powerman55 · Jul 26, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

We don't know if Pac will be the best fighter Floyd has faced, but we know for a fact Floyd will be the best Pac has ever faced-no doubt!!!
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Oh C'mon. Pac is without doubt the best fighter Mayweather Jr will have ever faced.

And Vice/Versa.

Hating aside, please just be honest and admit that.

jaysuperman27 · Jul 26, 2009

Nestea said: ↑

This is for you Nallege

But probably you won't read it because you might read THE REALITY and poof you out on your FANTASY LAND.

Are African-American boxers jealous of Pacquiao?
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...5-Are-AfricanAmerican-boxers-jealous-Pacquiao

When Nate Campbells trainer John David Jackson offered the statement that Manny Pacquiao has avoided African-American boxers, his ward backed him up in an interview I conducted with him last month saying,

It was a good comment. You tell me one African-American fighter hes (Pacquiao) fought.

My fellow Examiner Michael Marley described the issue as the Dumbest Topic in Boxing for 2008. Although its more of 2009 when Jackson made the statement, I cant say I disagree with the White Gorilla. Frankly, race issues are old news. Racism shouldnt have a place in the sport at all especially when minorities dominate boxing and on the issue that Pacquiao is avoiding African-American fighters, to me its really more of an issue about the lack of big African-American names in the lower weight classes. I guess if you want to insist Pacquiao ducked African-American boxers at least you know he fought the best competition instead.

But since some say its valid to question the ethnicities of Pacquiaos opponents, and I have offered my opinion about the matter in the past, Timothy Bradleys comments during his recent conference call had me thinking. He said,

Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter supposedly whatever. Hes the poster kid. Hes not fighting the best in the division, though. Hes fighting bigger fighters who are cutting weight and chopping them up because theyre weakened coming down in weight.

Last time I checked, Pacquiao fought one fighter that came down in weight and that was Oscar De la Hoya, and De la Hoya claimed he was in the best shape of his life and that he had felt stronger than ever. Pacquiao became the number one 140 pounder by dominating and destroying the former consensus champ in Ricky Hatton in two spectacular rounds after a long string of success in the neighboring divisions. And Cotto cutting down two pounds doesnt really mean hes weight-drained. In fact, its the most dangerous fight out there for Pacquiao because Cotto is naturally so much bigger and stronger than anyone he has faced. Theres a reason why De la Hoya and Mayweather avoided Cotto for so long. But thats for a different article on a different day.

Now I pose this question. Are African-American boxers, throw in the trainers as well, avoiding giving Pacquiao high praise? Are they jealous of Pacquiaos success? Of course Im not including 100% of the population when I say this but its just ironic that most of Pacquiaos detractors are African-Americans in the boxing game who speak of themselves in superlatives and hyperboles and consider themselves whether realistically or not, as the best.

Elaborate you ask?

Okay, lets start with none other than Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself. Throw in his uncle/trainer and dad in it with him as well and you got the unholy trinity of the Anti-Pacs. Of course you got Nate Campbell and John David Jackson. I guess you can add Emmanuel Steward to that list as well as I recall his comments on HBO and my interview with him when he said he thought Pacquiao is getting too much credit for his victory over De la Hoya. And now Timothy Bradley to the list of doubter. They seem to keep pointing out that Pacquiao simply beat weight-drained fighters and throw half-baked compliments only to be followed by buts.

Isnt it because the sport that once was dominated by African-American figures is now being captivated by a small, soft-spoken Filipino?

Pacquiao you can say is the anti-black fighter. He is the opposite of what the previous African-American poster boys of boxing were. Pacquiao doesnt talk much outside the ring and is as humble as they come. Instead of the swag and trash-talking like how Money May and The Galaxxy Warrior or Roy Jones Jr. and Muhammad Ali perfected before them, Pacquiao redirects the glory to the man upstairs and his countrymen and opts not to speak negatively about his adversaries.

Are they seeing something most fight fans do not when they belittle Pacquiao? Or are they simply hating because Pacquiao seems to be king of the boxing world as of the moment? If anything, Pacquiao has a huge African-American following. His admirers range from Denzel Washington to Kobe Bryant down to Shawn Merriman and a lot of other high-profile athletes. Last time I checked, Floyd Mayweather Jr. used to be one of them too. He was even jumping up-and-down when Pacquiao knocked Morales out in one of their fights. I have a lot of black friends and they all love Pacquiao as well.

So what happened?

Is the admiration Pacquiao is getting, together with the perks and riches that come with it, that got these other guys salivating to get a piece of that cake? As most suspect and would suggest, maybe these guys just want to get paid and be next in line for the Manny Pacquiao sweepstakes.

Love him or hate him, Pacquiao is here to stay. He will dominate internet articles and covers of boxing magazines because boxing is still a getting a$$es on them seats business, and Pacquiao does it better than anybody in the game right now because of his fighting style and the excitement he brings every time he fights. The real concern is the dwindling population of African-American boxing fans. Kimbo Slice is arguably more popular than Floyd Mayweather Jr. nowadays, especially with the younger demographic.

If Timothy Bradley, Nate Campbell and all these other African-American fighters want to really help their case, they simply have to step their games up and get their fans back into the sport to back them up. All the talking means nothing if they fail to bring the goods like when Campbell didnt even make the weight in his last fight against Funeka or when Mayweather's big fight end up becoming snoozers like his "The World Awaits" performance against De la Hoya.

The proof is in the pudding, in the words of NBA writer and analyst Steven A. Smith whom I spoke to in Las Vegas during my NBA writing days.

You can hate all you want, but youre just wasting your time.

At the end of the day, theres really only one African-American fighter we all want Pacquiao to face, and you already know his name. Let me guarantee you though, it's because of his skill, and not the color of his skin.
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Well said my friend.

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

Nestea said: ↑

This is for you Nallege

But probably you won't read it because you might read THE REALITY and poof you out on your FANTASY LAND.

Are African-American boxers jealous of Pacquiao?
LINK: http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-...5-Are-AfricanAmerican-boxers-jealous-Pacquiao

When Nate Campbells trainer John David Jackson offered the statement that Manny Pacquiao has avoided African-American boxers, his ward backed him up in an interview I conducted with him last month saying,

It was a good comment. You tell me one African-American fighter hes (Pacquiao) fought.

My fellow Examiner Michael Marley described the issue as the Dumbest Topic in Boxing for 2008. Although its more of 2009 when Jackson made the statement, I cant say I disagree with the White Gorilla. Frankly, race issues are old news. Racism shouldnt have a place in the sport at all especially when minorities dominate boxing and on the issue that Pacquiao is avoiding African-American fighters, to me its really more of an issue about the lack of big African-American names in the lower weight classes. I guess if you want to insist Pacquiao ducked African-American boxers at least you know he fought the best competition instead.

But since some say its valid to question the ethnicities of Pacquiaos opponents, and I have offered my opinion about the matter in the past, Timothy Bradleys comments during his recent conference call had me thinking. He said,

Manny Pacquiao is the best fighter supposedly whatever. Hes the poster kid. Hes not fighting the best in the division, though. Hes fighting bigger fighters who are cutting weight and chopping them up because theyre weakened coming down in weight.

Last time I checked, Pacquiao fought one fighter that came down in weight and that was Oscar De la Hoya, and De la Hoya claimed he was in the best shape of his life and that he had felt stronger than ever. Pacquiao became the number one 140 pounder by dominating and destroying the former consensus champ in Ricky Hatton in two spectacular rounds after a long string of success in the neighboring divisions. And Cotto cutting down two pounds doesnt really mean hes weight-drained. In fact, its the most dangerous fight out there for Pacquiao because Cotto is naturally so much bigger and stronger than anyone he has faced. Theres a reason why De la Hoya and Mayweather avoided Cotto for so long. But thats for a different article on a different day.

Now I pose this question. Are African-American boxers, throw in the trainers as well, avoiding giving Pacquiao high praise? Are they jealous of Pacquiaos success? Of course Im not including 100% of the population when I say this but its just ironic that most of Pacquiaos detractors are African-Americans in the boxing game who speak of themselves in superlatives and hyperboles and consider themselves whether realistically or not, as the best.

Elaborate you ask?

Okay, lets start with none other than Floyd Mayweather Jr. himself. Throw in his uncle/trainer and dad in it with him as well and you got the unholy trinity of the Anti-Pacs. Of course you got Nate Campbell and John David Jackson. I guess you can add Emmanuel Steward to that list as well as I recall his comments on HBO and my interview with him when he said he thought Pacquiao is getting too much credit for his victory over De la Hoya. And now Timothy Bradley to the list of doubter. They seem to keep pointing out that Pacquiao simply beat weight-drained fighters and throw half-baked compliments only to be followed by buts.

Isnt it because the sport that once was dominated by African-American figures is now being captivated by a small, soft-spoken Filipino?

Pacquiao you can say is the anti-black fighter. He is the opposite of what the previous African-American poster boys of boxing were. Pacquiao doesnt talk much outside the ring and is as humble as they come. Instead of the swag and trash-talking like how Money May and The Galaxxy Warrior or Roy Jones Jr. and Muhammad Ali perfected before them, Pacquiao redirects the glory to the man upstairs and his countrymen and opts not to speak negatively about his adversaries.

Are they seeing something most fight fans do not when they belittle Pacquiao? Or are they simply hating because Pacquiao seems to be king of the boxing world as of the moment? If anything, Pacquiao has a huge African-American following. His admirers range from Denzel Washington to Kobe Bryant down to Shawn Merriman and a lot of other high-profile athletes. Last time I checked, Floyd Mayweather Jr. used to be one of them too. He was even jumping up-and-down when Pacquiao knocked Morales out in one of their fights. I have a lot of black friends and they all love Pacquiao as well.

So what happened?

Is the admiration Pacquiao is getting, together with the perks and riches that come with it, that got these other guys salivating to get a piece of that cake? As most suspect and would suggest, maybe these guys just want to get paid and be next in line for the Manny Pacquiao sweepstakes.

Love him or hate him, Pacquiao is here to stay. He will dominate internet articles and covers of boxing magazines because boxing is still a getting a$$es on them seats business, and Pacquiao does it better than anybody in the game right now because of his fighting style and the excitement he brings every time he fights. The real concern is the dwindling population of African-American boxing fans. Kimbo Slice is arguably more popular than Floyd Mayweather Jr. nowadays, especially with the younger demographic.

If Timothy Bradley, Nate Campbell and all these other African-American fighters want to really help their case, they simply have to step their games up and get their fans back into the sport to back them up. All the talking means nothing if they fail to bring the goods like when Campbell didnt even make the weight in his last fight against Funeka or when Mayweather's big fight end up becoming snoozers like his "The World Awaits" performance against De la Hoya.

The proof is in the pudding, in the words of NBA writer and analyst Steven A. Smith whom I spoke to in Las Vegas during my NBA writing days.

You can hate all you want, but youre just wasting your time.

At the end of the day, theres really only one African-American fighter we all want Pacquiao to face, and you already know his name. Let me guarantee you though, it's because of his skill, and not the color of his skin.
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What does this have to do with the thread topic??? Do us a favor and stay out of threads like this ok. Grow up, get a job and a woman, pay some bills, and get back to us when you have lived life a little, and learned to read properly.

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

Powerman55 said: ↑

Oh C'mon. Pac is without doubt the best fighter Mayweather Jr will have ever faced.

And Vice/Versa.

Hating aside, please just be honest and admit that.
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The one thing about me is that I don't post from my sleeve, I post from the heart. I don't hate on boxers, I tell it like it is. I root for PAc, while you guys root against Floyd and other potential Pac opponents.

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

I didn't think that there could be a poster who was more phonier or more stupider than BladeRunner. Stupider lol... anyway, we got a bunch of those types just in this thread alone lol. I wrote a logical post as to why Pac can't beat Floyd imo, and I got 'Phillipines versus Mexico arguments...who invented the gun, John David Jackson quotes, and other off the topic posts' that show how much of a degenerate some of you are. You guys wonder why I, and other posters have no respect for you ******s and *******s. You guys appear phony to me...truly. Either fight or flight.

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

Powerman55 said: ↑

Oh C'mon. Pac is without doubt the best fighter Mayweather Jr will have ever faced.

And Vice/Versa.

Hating aside, please just be honest and admit that.
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Admit what? I don't know if Pac will give Floyd a fight. On paper Pac looks as good as any opponent Floyd has faced. Doesn't mean the fight will be just as hard.

Silvermags · Jul 26, 2009

Nestea said: ↑

Probably all of it.
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As expected he DID NOT ANSWER IT! He said stuff without DIRECTLY ANSWERING IT! .

Too predictable sometimes. Yes, he'll reply and say some stuff again,bashing his way out of the topic being asked to reply..:rofl:rofl

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

Silvermags said: ↑

As expected he DID NOT ANSWER IT! He said stuff without DIRECTLY ANSWERING IT! .

Too predictable sometimes. Yes, he'll reply and say some stuff again,bashing his way out of the topic being asked to reply..:rofl:rofl
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Thread #1. I just got finished watching Pac-Morales and Pac-JMM and I've come to this...
conclusion. Pac can't beat Floyd. While Pac has gotten better, he is still easy to hit when fighters stand their ground and fight smart, and stay in front of him. Morales gave Pac a good washing over, and JMM just painted Pac beautifully in their rematch. In order to beat Pac, you have to take him a few rounds, and make Pac the aggressor so that you can counter his aggression with your counter punching, nd Floyd is at his best when doing this. You can't go in thinking that Pac is small, and just try to over power him. Pac is dangerous early when he can use his speed and power. After you take him some rounds, the luster is gone, and Pac becomes ordinary. It showed in the Larios fight also.

Floyd is more prepared for a fight with Pac than Pac is prepared for a fight with Floyd. Floyd has fought good southpaw fighters in the past, and imo that prepares him for Pac... Pac's last 3 opponents have made Pac look like superman, but he is ordinary against guys who can actually box. One thing I did notice about Pac in the Morales fight was that he stayed in the pocket and didn't quit, and tried his best to counter Morales while in the pocket even with the bad cut. Floyd goes to the body in every fight, and that is what Cotto has to do-early. You have to get Pac to fight flat footed. When Pac is allowed to jump around, jump in and out, he is hard to beat. slow Pac down early like Morales and JMM did, and you'll be successful.

You have to make Pac come at you, and counter to the head first, then the body to off set PAc's swarming style at times. Starting in round 1, fuk feeling your opponent out...start the body attack early against Pac. Pick your shots, and get out of harms way. Let some rounds go by. Once Pac gets going, it is hard to stop him. Don't let him get going at all.

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

jaysuperman27 said: ↑

Well said my friend.
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Yeah, that's enough proof for me too...well said. Facts are African American fighters ARE jealous of Pac lol...

DINAMITA · Jul 26, 2009

Yes, the Morales fight has so much relevance now atsch

And Mayweather is so similar to Morales atsch

This is the equivalent of me making a thread saying:

"Castillo beat Mayweather, so Pac will too"

The difference being, I recognize that the Castillo-Mayweather fight was years ago, I recognize that Pac is nothing like Castillo, and I'm not a ****ing dead animal carcass like Nallege! atsch

NALLEGE · Jul 26, 2009

DINAMITA said: ↑

Yes, the Morales fight has so much relevance now atsch

And Mayweather is so similar to Morales atsch

This is the equivalent of me making a thread saying:

"Castillo beat Mayweather, so Pac will too"

The difference being, I recognize that the Castillo-Mayweather fight was years ago, I recognize that Pac is nothing like Castillo, and I'm not a ****ing dead animal carcass like Nallege! atsch
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Guys, this is the apex of how a rePactard thinks. Just look at what he wrote lol...

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