Ok let me start off by saying that I was rooting for JMMs going into this fight because I got tired of all the Pacquiao r*****s claiming their guy is the greatest of all time. When I first scored the fight live I had it 117-111 JMM and thought it was a complete robbery when the result was announced. I was still so upset the next day that I didn't want anything to do with sports the next day including not watching sunday Football. I could not fathom how someone could have a 116-112 card for Pacquiao which had me totally convinced that the judges were bought off. Well I decided to rewatch it again with a clear mind this afternoon, no emotional investment in either fighter and without the biased commentary from HBO's pathetic crew. Now Ill say this although I still had JMM winning 116-112 this time around I can honestly say that this was NOT a robbery by any means. For me a robbery is when there is absolutely no way the other fighter could have won a fight but they give it to him anyways. What makes this fight feel like a robbery is that Marquez had 4 very clear definitive rounds and Pacquiao had none. That makes 8 rounds close and quite frankly I thought 7 of those 8 rounds were all barely nicked by either fighter it really is who you give the benefit of the doubt to. I gave 4 of the 8 rounds to JMM after rewatching it. To have Pacquiao winning this fight you would have to give him 7 or all 8 of the close rounds to him it's reaching but it is possible. 116-112 Is reaching badly for Pacquiao to win 115-113 Pacquiao is a hard reach for Pac and 6-6 is still a reach but it is possible. The scoring ranges for this fight is all over the place but could make sense with a 116-112 scorecard for Pac to a 120-108 scorecard for JMM there was that many close rounds moreso than Duran/Leonard I. Lara-Williams was a robbery because Lara had atleast 7 definitive rounds Casamayor-Cruz was a robbery because Cruz had 9 definitive rounds plus a knockdown WHITAKER-Chavez IS a robbery because Whitaker had 10 definitive rounds against Chavez Jmm should of gotten the decision and although he didn't he knows that the win is very bitter for Pac. I for one will welcome a 4th fight between the two again. Marquez deserves another big payday and that scumbag Arum better give him a bigger purse than before. I recommend all of you who are still upset about the result of the fight as much as I was to rewatch it with a clear and open mind with no emotion whatsoever. You'll feel better and at peace with the sport.
It was a close fight that could have went either way just like the first 2 fights. Sure Marquez had a better case for the win with his counter punching but that may also probably costed him. He should have been more aggressive than just laying back and countering PAC. The judges probably gave it to PAC because it seems like he wanted the fight more.
JMM had to clearly beat PAC by winning every round or a KO. JMM didn't do enough to take the belt from Pac. He didnt clearly and convincingly do anything. He tried and didnt do enough. **** that **** drinker he lost again like a dumb **** drinker that he is.
Still a robbery as there was a clear winner. There are fights that are won by close UD and wide UD. This was a close Robbery, Whitaker-Chavez was a wide Robbery. That is the difference:hat
There is no such thing as a wide or a close robbery. A robbery is a robbery period. If fighter A wins 7 definitive rounds or more but the decision goes to Fighter B then thats a robbery. If fighter A wins 5 definitive rounds but the decision goes to fighter B that is not a robbery.
I had the fight scored in Pac's favor anyway. Manny got stronger as the fight went on and by the last few rounds Manny was far faster than that **** drinker who looked sluggish at best.
I think the overwhelming odds that JMM had to go through in this fight compared to the first two fights is what makes people really think Marquez got robbed. I, myself, also had JMM winning.
and the winner is Juan Manuel Marquez, thats how it should have gone, its not the worst decision in boxing history but when one man wins and the other gets the decisions its a robbery
It wasn't pac getting stronger and faster in the last few rounds, it was marquez either slowing down or letting off the last few rounds, and that's what cost jmm the fight. Jmm was backing off while pac was trying to pressure. Instead of creating an offense when pac attacked like he did in the middle rounds he backed off and became more defensive, causing pac to attack more. Jmm made the mistake of becoming to defensive in the last quarter of the rounds. My thought on why, is because he didn't want to take a risk of getting knocked down in the last quarter, where pac likes to pick up the pace. It seemed to me that it was part of the plan. Berstein did a brilliant job on strategy. From picking up the uppecuts when pac wants to rest like clottey. To mosley stepping on his foot to make pac off balance. Roach and the entire team pac completly failed. They came in overconfident. Using the same stratgy they used against brawlers. Not using sparring partners who fight like jmm. Employing a sparring patner like donaiire, quillin, vanes, rashad holloway would have helped him tremendously. Its only now that they're looking into y pac keeps cramping. Team pac was a failure, with a poor training camp cause egos got in the way along with over confidence, and got by on pacs athelticiism alone
It's interesting, Pacquiao lost a close decision to Erik Morales, 7 rounds to 5. There was very little debate on the scoring of that fight. Morales clearly won seven rounds, Pacquiao five, if the scoring had been different it would have been a robbery. Many people have Marquez winning by even a wider margin than that fight, but to me it wasn't close to a robbery. It's arguable that Marquez won nine rounds, but arguable that Pac won seven.
These analyzes are starting to make sense, suddenly :admin I tried to score it but gave up. Marquez looked like the real boxer in there, but Pac probably outlanded him. And I dont believe it was just grazing shots as some say. Swelling around Marquez eyes like he had been eating jabs all night. Could have went either way. Pac proved nothing, but I feel Marquez did. Hope for a fourth bout.
