I just watched Kessler vs Andrade...OMG!

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Dunky McCafferty, Oct 28, 2007.


  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I guess knocking out and sending Martin Holgate into premature retirement as a 7 fight novice professional, knocking out the Commonwealth Light Middleweight and Welterweight champions and beating up Victor Kpadenue who went the distance with hard hitting Middleweight Gary Lockett, all guys who can actually punch.

    I only pick this names out as you might have seen these guys fight rather than base your opinions on ignorance.

    If my guy can't fight punchers why don't Lynes, Barnes, Muttley, Hatton and Witter take the contest they have been offered for years since according to you it will be an easy nights work for them.

    The only negative about the Nuumbembee fight is that David Barnes was in Nuumbembee's corner that night and he saw enough never to contemplate stepping in with Ajose. Lynes just lacks the intestinal fortitude. Witter team will only take if they are forced to when we become the mandatory contender.

    As for Hatton I am not sure he will fight again after the 8th of December.
     
  2. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guy like Hatton and Barnes?
     
  3. ron u.k.

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    i'm not overly knocking your guy,hey what do i know he may be the real deal,i've not seen that much of him.it's just from what i can see the boasts being made about him are not based on a great deal,yet someone like hatton gets dissed,there seems to be a case of double standards here.also looking at his last half dozen opponents or so they all mainly have very low ko percentages.
     
  4. "TKO"

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    In boxing, there is a little concept called levels. Something which I'm not quite sure you have any comprehension of?

    Example, Gary Lockett, hard hitting? I grant you he is a middleweight. At domestic level, he may well be hard hitting (the likes of Lee Blundell and Gilbert Eastman). Against fighters who are European/ fringe world level (Ryan Rhodes, Yuri Tsarenko, his power is not a factor. If he ever stepped in with a genuine world level operator, he would probably not even register. This game is all about levels and you have to prove yourself worthy prior to getting a shot.

    The likes of Lynes, Barnes, Muttley etc... may or may not be keen on fighting your guy. It's unlikely Hatton or Witter even know who he is! But still, there are plenty of decent European level fighters, US fringe contenders etc... who a good win over would make a statement. What about Giuseppe Lauri, Juan Lazcano, Mike Arnoutis, Lovemore Ndou, Gianluca Branco, someone of that ilk? You can't go from fighting fighters who are 15-27 and 5-2 to expecting a shot at the world title!
     
  5. ron u.k.

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    i mean going on about sending the mighty martin holgate into retirement another guy who can't punch,3 knockouts in 14.you mention "hard hitting" victor kpadenue who ajose beat in kpadenue's 6th fight, now with a mighty ko record of 3 ko's in 22 fights.in fact ajose's last 6 opponents combined have had 149 fights and between them only registered 22 knockouts.are they not confident in his chin olu?
     
  6. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Terry D, TKO and Ron U.K. or whatever you call yourselves you are clearly deluded.

    Witter and Hatton know who Ajose is for a fact. Take it from an insider that they don't want it.

    Frank Warren and Sports Network wanted Ajose to spar with Hatton, it was not Ajose and his team who wanted sparring. We told them that we don't want to spar with him instead we would rather fight him and defeat him. Needless to say they refused to take up the offer.

    Please don't insult Ajose by mentioning Lynes in the same breath. A fighter who has signed to fight Ajose at least twice only to pull out for no reason. I have much more respect for a real fighter like Ali Nuumbembee who was practically undefeated until Ajose stopped him.

    Ajose is and has been prepared to fight the so called best but they don't want to know. Like Evan Korn an American journalist wrote Ajose has the proverbial 3 strikes against him that being he is good, black and a southpaw. Marvin Hagler had the same problem until finally they could not shut him out anymore.

    Also Kpadenue's record on boxrec is actually incomplete as he has many more victories. What he and African fighters like Ajose are, are not protected in respect of taking easy matches rather we fight all comers we don't discriminate.

    What exactly is that clown Lynes deserving off after running away from Witter and being knocked out by Daws and Malinga. I know what he deserves and boy will he get it if he is man enough to get in with Ajose.

    I am sorry but you guys really annoy me hyping your overprotected domestic guys who prefer to enter 70-30 fights.
     
  7. Nemesis

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    once again Ajose "who" Olusegun has took over another thread, I am sure I am not alone in wanting Ajose to lose his next bout, just to shut Olu up :twisted:
     
  8. "TKO"

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    Sheesh, that's right everybody else is deluded. You and your insane ramblings are the only voice of reason on this board! If Hatton's team (note his team, not the fighter himself) were looking to bring him on board for sparring, what does that say about their view of his standing?

    Olusegun is in no position to "offer" anything to Hatton or Witter (the likes of Colin Lynes etc... are a different story, those are roughly the kind of fighters he should be facing). He simply has not proved himself to be anywhere near that level yet.

    Answer me a question seriously, what do you think the world's boxing media would say if Hatton announced his next fight was to be against Ajose Olusegun? They would absolutely crucify him! Witter too! Whilst Hatton has had Tszyu, Castillo and Mayweather on his plate, I seriously doubt whether he or anyone else in the boxing world has given a second thought to Ajose Olusegun and his wins over 15-16-1 opponents.

    Honest question, do you not feel that your guy should have to work his way up? Right now, he has not taken on an opponent in the world top 50! His last opponent was coming off a stoppage loss to a fighter who was 15-27! It's no good just saying you think he's that good therefore he should get a direct title shot. All promoters/managers/camps say that about their prospect, it's their job! If Ajose wants a title shot, he needs to beat some 10-25 ranked fighters and work his way up to fighting contenders. Right now he's fighting journeymen. Before Hatton stepped up to top level, he fought the likes of Magee, Krivalopov, Tackie, Stewart, Hutchison. Not top level guys but fringe world class and they gave him good prep for when he eventually did get his shot. They made his name known as well. That's what your guy needs right now!
     
  9. Dunky McCafferty

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    you proved yourself. I respect anyone who debates properly here, wether I agree or disagree with their opinions.

    I operate like a judge, I like posters who add to the forum with a flair for debate. Theres too many stupid folk on esb, so I judge who I think adds to the brit forum. Not being up my own arse or anything, but in the almost 4 years I have been posting here I take my time before making friends or enemies here. Nothing worse than arguing with people who dont properly know the sport. & there are many like that nowadays. You know the type I mean, those who dismiss a fighter cos they got beat once before 10 years ago & **** like that.

    TKO, welcome aboard on the good ship Dunky . & if you want to tell me to **** off? Thats fine. I leave myself open for that kind of reply with my seemingly arrogant stance, but those who know me know I am as hapy to be the butt of jokes as I am to be the wind up merchant. I aint no ESB ego.
     
  10. brown bomber

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    Didn't Scott Harrison once get stopped by Welsh Dragon Miguel Mathews? :lol:
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    I'll see if I can fit him in my busy schedule.... Tell him to be at hornby rd gym half five tonight... its the one above Nora's chippy.. make sure he doesn't leave his belts in sight in his car or somewhere in Blackpool we'll have a chav claiming to be commonwealth champion. :good
     
  12. African Cobra

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    Apologies Magee, Krivalopov, Tackie, Stewart and Hutchison are great fighters and true terrors are they?

    When Hatton and Witter step in with Ajose you will see the greatest African fighter since the legendary Azumah Nelson. Bank on it and when it happens I will be expecting your apology. If Hatton were to fight Ajose people would see him taking on an undefeated multi skilled fighter approaching his peak who will knock him out and who happens to be a genuine contender as opposed to the likes of Maussa, Utrango and ver the hill Castillo. Whoever you favour to win the world would know it is true contest.
     
  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    Terry D for the last time Team Ajose never offered his services as a sparring partner. Sports Network asked if we would come up to Manchester and spar Hatton after Ajose knocked out Bradley Pryce because I think they were contemplating taking on Junior Witter. We refused we don't want to spar Hatton we wan't to defeat him to prove who is the better man rather than beat him up behind closed doors. The fact we did not take up the offer should tell you our expectations of Ajose who is well ranked in the WBC top 10 ratings. We are targeting the mandatory position as that is our route to the title.
     
  14. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    As for the main event tomorrow I cannot wait. If Calzaghe pulls it off he will be rated up there with James Lights Out Toney and Roy Jones as the greatest Super Middleweight in history.

    To be honest I had stopped caring about JC's career until the Lacy fight certainly the most dominant performance I have seen by a British fighter at that level.

    I like the look of Kessler who exudes confidence and stature so I believe we are in for a treat. I am not supporting either guy rather I am coming to watch a great fight.
     
  15. brown bomber

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    I think its pretty safe to say he'd give me the beating of my life - lol