i just watched kovalev v ward with sound off and scored it .....

This is also without sound...

Round 1: Ward doing some nice work with his jab to the body, a little right up top, but Kovalev rocks him with a hard jab and lands a good right up top, too. Physical first round, a little chippy, Kovalev ends it with a double jab and I think he looked better. Kovalev 10-9

Round 2: Ward is having huge problems with Kovalev. The defense is not there. Kovalev picking him apart. DOWN GOES WARD ON A HUGE RIGHT HAND! Kovalev going for the finish when the fight continues! He's still landing shots. Ward survives the round! Kovalev 10-8, 20-17

Round 3: Ward's body language has been bad all fight. He's tentative. But he has bursts of offense. Ward trying to rough him up a bit. Good jab from Ward snaps Kovalev's head back. Ward warming up a bit this round, finally, but still liked Kovalev better. Kovalev 10-9, 30-26

Round 4: Ward trying to land a power left hook this round. He's adjusting, but Kovalev is still landing the jab really nicely. This is the pace Ward would prefer, but it's still Kovalev winning the rounds. Kovalev 10-9, 40-35

Round 5: Ward has turned the corner enough to take his first round for me. He landed some good, hard jabs in this round, and he's got Kovalev following him around, maybe getting a little lazy with his own offense after the good start. Ward 10-9, Kovalev 49-45

Round 6: Ward is in this fight, or in these rounds, but it's still Kovalev landing the harder, more telling blows, and he's landing plenty overall. The clinching and wrestling is not going all Ward's way, which it usually does. Kovalev 10-9, 59-54

Round 7: Ward with a nice rally in this round, getting inside, landing some good shots, targeting the body a bit, landing his jab up top. Stiff jabs, at that. Kovalev still landing a couple good jabs this round, but this was a Ward round for sure. Ward 10-9, Kovalev 68-64

Round 8: Ward's made some adjustments and is landing some hard body shots. This is another Ward round, and this might be a very close fight right now on the cards. It's been competitive. Ward 10-9, Kovalev 77-74

Round 9: Kovalev is losing his legs just a bit, those body shots may be adding up. Ward getting into a comfortable zone these last few rounds. Ward looks stronger, fresher now. Ward with another strong round here, but Kovalev is still there, too. Ward has just taken the momentum. These guys are both as good as advertised. This is a fine fight. Ward 10-9, Kovalev 86-84

Round 10: Kovalev working hard this round, Ward sorta laying back a bit more. It's the aggression of Kovalev pushing him backwards, but he's showboating a bit and keeping the crowd loud in his favor. This was a round Kovalev needed, and Ward may not have been able to afford. Kovalev 10-9, 96-93

Round 11: Kovalev marching forward, but also getting hit with hard, clean shots, and this is another Ward round. This is just a hell of a boxing match. Ward 10-9, Kovalev 105-103

Round 12: A high intensity final round. Ward trying to push forward, but Kovalev won't back down at all, and is it winds down, it's Sergey Kovalev landing good shots, with Ward also landing some solid shots still. I mean, just a terrific fight. I edge to Kovalev this round, and in the fight. Kovalev 10-9, 115-112

 

It was me

 

Just go by who is more effected by their punches as you watch the fight. Don't look at how they look between rounds, but watch for things like knees buckling, stopping in their tracks, head getting tossed back, things like that. That's just how you determine how effective punches are. You can't go by facial damage because scar tissue plays a huge part in that. Not in this fight, but in general.

Scoring is subjective. Two people can watch a fight and have completely different views on who won and why. Honestly though...that should not have played a big part in this fight. I thought Kov clearly won, but it is what it is.

 

From what I remember from the fight, this is also what I recall. I remember definitely giving rounds 5, 7, and 9 to Ward because I was telling my friend about it as we watched it. I didn't bother scoring the entire thing but I do remember those rounds in particular because there weren't that many rounds I was giving to Ward.

 

Kovalev won the majority of the rounds and with the knockdown the fight should have been his. I watched the HBO version. Leaderman and all the other presenters had it for Kovalev but by varying margins, ledderman by 4! Kovalev won because he was doing more and landing more in the majority of the rounds. This was even proven by the punch stats after. Ward landed a few clean shots here and there but no where near enough. It was interesting that they didn't hear from Ledderman after the fight! Kellerman said after it wasn't a bad decision because the crowd was booing. But **** me! It wasn't a good decision! Just because he saw it as close, it still got given to the wrong fighter!

 

Ward was a little shook in the beginning and Kov thought he might be able to just bully him but after the knock down ward tapped into that inner fortitude, and for me showed the most heart out of the two and fought his way back, in the 2nd half of the fight ward was doing the much more cleaner and accurate work, The longer the fight went the more ward got into it. I feel like ward was rusty at this level and was getting rid of the rust on while on the job and thus i see the rematch being an even more convincing UD for ward

I honestly hope i am not biased and have rose tinted specs as i was running for ward my self but that is my gods honest view of how i saw the fight go. I am going to watch it again though and see if i feel any different.

 

But that's basically what I meant by "[Ward] just landed better hits."

I still find the after effects confounding. Ward clearly looked so much more damaged. I'm not familiar with what you're referring to with scar tissue. Can you expand on that?

 

Everybody has their own way to judge a fight, a fighter can be taking a beating for 11 rounds and get a KO in the last round, Does that mean he didn't really win the fight? Its all subjective. I feel like ward also won the mental battle.

 

Oh sure man. Okay, you know how in combat sports you get busted open a lot? Well, those cuts dont really heal; you're going to get busted up again. That's why Cotto gets busted open so easily after his first Margarito fight. Scar tissue. A guy that has been in a lot of wars will open up again if the ****ing wind blows on him hard enough, doesn't mean he got hit hard or that he is hurt. It will look like he is hurt, but a lot of the time he will be completely okay. Ward hasn't been in those type of wars and hasn't been busted open so it doesn't apply to this like I said, but it's always something to keep in mind.

Kovalev hurt Ward more in this fight. By a wide margin. There were only about 4 rounds in this fight where I felt like he did the better work.

 

Eeek that is a bad argument. Of course he won the fight; he won by KO. A better way to look it is that there are 12 (or however many rounds there are) separate fights against the same person. You tally up who won most of those fights. If a person could not see the end of any one of those fights there are ineligible for even being judged and lose by default.

The mental battle is a good point, but hard to tell. For that we have to go strictly by ring generalship which is the most subjective criteria for scoring a round. You could interpret as pushing the fight, controlling the center of the ring, or just making the opponent fight your fight which gets tricky because...well what if you're losing there?

 

By that i mean if somebody gets absolutely dominated for 11 rounds, lets be extreme and say every round was 10/8 and in the last seconds of the final round the guy down gets 1 lucky punch and a ko. He got the W but did he win the fight? Technically yes of course he did, but was he the better fighter/boxer i don't think so.

I feel like ward gave away the first part of the fight, due to being slightly shook and it took a gut check for him to get his real fight on. To mentally come back after that was impressive and to do it in a fashion that wasn't wild and reckless with clean accurate punches etc. I honestly felt like he was taking over the fight comfortably towards the end, he started to do a little showboating etc. Paulie said that if it was a 15 rounder it would have only got worse for kov and i totally agree with that. Kov was both physically and mentally fading.

 

That is still a terrible argument. A better argument would be a guy dominating the round and then getting flash knockdown'd and this pattern repeating every round in the fight. Then you could talk about how subjective the scoring criteria is and what you favor, but for yours it is still cut an dry since the other guy couldn't finish the fight.

Even still, it is irrelevant since it doesn't apply to the fight.

 

aint seen it yet but from what I am hearing it was super close

so do you no longer have to rip that title away from the champion can you just come in a spoil your way to a razor thin decision and take that belt this should help pass theses titles round quicker than the ufc

 

Foreigners don't do well with USA judges scoring!!!

ESPN had it 69/63 in favor of Kovalev at the end of round 7.

 

You never have and never should have needed to "take the belt from the champ." That's one of the most ignorant and inaccurate judging criteria there is.