I knew The Ring would not move Joe up the p4p rankings for beating a shot fighter.

Well done to The Ring in continuing to base their rankings on logic, rationality, objectivity, knowledge and analysis.

Commiserations to all those who gave me abuse for saying Calzaghe would stay at #3 after he beat Jones.

The resume continues to haunt Mr Calzaghe. And it is no-one's fault but his own. There is no honour in beating a fighter that everyone with a brain knew was shot to pieces. And clearly The Ring agree with me on that.


I fully expect The Ring to maintain their approach when they keep Manny Pacquiao at pound-for-pound number 1 after he loses to Oscar De La Hoya, as that defeat does not affect his pound-for-pound rating by definition. Pound-for-pound is how good you are at your own weight - that's how we can compare fighters from different weights. Manny Pacquiao jumping 2 weight divisions for a one-off fight when he has had only 1 fight at lightweight against a guy who has been fighting above welterweight for the last 7 years does not affect how good he is at his own weight, therefore it will not affect his pound-for-pound standing. To those who don't understand this - Roy Jones would not have been demoted had he lost to John Ruiz, as this one-off fight would not have affected how good he was at his own weight, and this is how pound-for-pound is decided.

Let's wait and see.

:bbb

 

I agree with most of what you say except for the weight problem and P4P #1. If Pac leaves the weight then he has left it, end of story, for what otherwise might seem a campaign at 147. He has fought all of one fight at 135 so we can't say that's his true weight class either. In other words he is looking for a place to land and so a fight at 147 should affect his place in the list.

 

I'm not sure. If you get the benefit of a huge boost by stepping up weights and winning then there has to be a downside too. For me it is that you have wasted time, and I only look back a certain amount of time when I consider my lists. They have to be a snapshot in time otherwise its a bit pointless and Oscar De La Hoya is the undisputed p4p #1.

 

Guess what, they moved JMM up after he beat a shot Casamayor.

I can't really give too much respect for a list that puts someone who lost a fight and win a fight vs. a shot fighter ahead of someone who beat an actual P4P-er and a shot fighter.

 

I don't know if Calzaghe is better than JMM. That imo is where the real debate is, not with Pacquiao

 

Your hating on Joe is starting to become fairly tedious. You've made it clearly obvious you don't rate his resume what so ever, and consequently don't rate him. Thats your opinion, your clearly a knowledgable fight fan with some good opinons, this ones becoming tiresome though, any chance of changing the channel?

 

I don't think so. I would love Pac to win more than anything, but I see the size difference being just too great. Oscar has a good chin, Pac won't stop him. Can Oscar stop Pac? I think he can.

 

Casamayor stopped a top 10 lightweight in his last fight before Marquez, Jones's last win over a top 10 lightheavyweight was in 2004. atsch

 

Merely responding to The Ring's latest ratings my friend. Many were waiting to see if Calzaghe would move up, whether you like it or not it is a pertinent issue this week.

 

So... is that win better than Calzaghe over Hopkins? Because it's the only win JMM can put up this year. And how about Paul Williams for The Ring credibility?

 

i dont think beating RJJ should improve his ranking either and im a JC fan...

 

you're right. it should stay in place. but for the issue on beating a shot fighter, marquez was #3, then he beat casamayor (who showed signs also of being shot based on two last outings). jmm was pomoted to #2. joe beat a shot roy, but they did not believe him. they believed jmm though. maybe they knew, casa was not as shot as roy

 

You contradict yourself by saying p4p is based on how good you are at your own weight.

Calzaghe unbeaten at SMW faced everyone there was to face undisputed super middle weight champion.

 

JMM's performance against the world p4p#1 was as good as a win, he was superb that night. I like the selection of Paul Williams. He has a win over the higher-ranked Margarito already, was stunning in the Quintana rematch, and is clearly going to achieve great things.

 

Christ. Obviously I don't mean how good you are only at the first weight you won a world title at - how would that work?! atsch

It's been a decade since Pacquiao won a world title at flyweight.

But since you bring it up, Calzaghe's resume at supermiddleweight was weak, definitely not good enough to make him p4p#1.