I know this is a crazy question but what if cus got a hold of Holyfield?

Tyson's arm cranks on opponents were very basic old school greco-roman style grappling tactics, if the opponent wasn't versed enough to know how to oppose/counter it it's their trainer's or their own fault, Marciano or Louis never would have been victim to such basic tactics, what's worse than the fact that it was considered a dirty foul is that it's what Tyson chose to do on the inside instead of get off to the body and climb up to the head like Cus always told him to

Holyfield's work rate would have paired well with Cus, Cus wouldn't have had to peel as much off Holyfield to get to his core, he had a lot more natural core than Tyson, whereas Tyson needed a lot more directing, Holyfield wouldn't have been as much of a fuss, Holyfield would have kept Atlas and Rooney around, imagine a not quite Evan Fields but definitely a beefier Holyfield in the 88 workout videos with Rooney, he would actually control and dominate the inside like Tyson never did

 

They definitely collided heads. They were not intentional. And Tyson, over the course of their two fights, is the one moving forward more often than not … so he’s initiating the contact. Holyfield is lowering the crown of his head and Tyson isn’t, so that’s why Tyson’s cut over the eye (because he didn’t follow fundamentals and took it on the face).

Tyson, on the other hand, but a guy’s ear off. Intentionally. If he was a dog, he’d be put to sleep for it. Only an animal does something like that.

And considering his record of trying to break peoples’ arms and all the other fouls he’s committed, I don’t want to hear any crying for poor victim Mike.

You say ‘they butted heads, therefore Holyfield butted him’ but that’s not the case. None were ruled intentional. None seemed intentional. And Tyson is the guy moving forward more often than not.

If your car runs into mine, is it my fault because I didn’t jam it into reverse and back out of the way, lol?

You didn’t link the video, you just named times on it. But whoever made it either (a) has no idea what they’re talking about, or (b) has an agenda. You’re buying into a false narrative.

I don’t know how to timestamp, but to go 1:00 of this video:

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Mike Tyson admitting he cheated drug tests:

https://www.sportscasting.com/mike-tyson-candidly-admits-how-he-cheated-using-a-prosthetic-*****/

Here’s two instances of Tyson deliberately trying to break his opponent’s arm (two of many):

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Face it, Tyson was the dirtiest player in the game.

 

I already mentioned the dirty tactics against Botha! I actually credited you! Lol!
Also I never mentioned their 1st fight. Try not to lose focus of the debate at hand.
You say none were ruled intentional , and that is my point! Holyfield is a Picasso of headbutts and dirty tactics.
Sure Tyson was an animal and Holyfield brought it out intentionally. 'When you continue to poke the dog the dog bites'!

 

Learn what a time stamp is then get back to me.

 

LOL, says the guy who mentioned a video without linking it and then gave times on this mysterious video that I’m supposed to find and look up.

OK pal.

 

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#1 headbutt- 1st round- 00:54
#2 headbutt- 2nd round 4:44
#3 headbutt - 2nd round 5:08
#4 headbutt- 2nd round 5:11
At thispoint Tysons eye is cut wide open. Holyfield has also been warned by Mills Lane aswell for 2 low blows .
Tyson loses his composer at this point but has done no fouls since before.
Eveyone knows the rest of the story..If Tyson is the dirtiest fighter you know and Holyfield is not to blame then you just proved my point that Holyfield perfected the art of headbutts

 

Here is your mysterious video with time stamps..good luck on figuring out the rest.

 

Botha just laying there with an under hook aka hugging not pulling out and looking for bicep control or to come over with a punch even though he had the reach advantage, just watch Frazier on the inside he never lets his opponent get an over hook, always swims his arms out over the top and controls at the elbow or bicep