I like GGG but he needs to move up!

With potential to unify with IBF and/or WBO titleholder... well... when was the last time we saw a lineal triple titleholder at MW? Hopkins? Triple G would be triple champ, so yeah quite a bit of an accomplishment.

It's a check in the box he needs for history's sake, the man cannot afford not to be remembered as lineal in his natural weight class... not withstanding the Cotto payday aspect.

 

I feel the same way about Ward too only difference is Ward has FOUGHT LEGIT COMPETITION GGG has fought 1 maybe 2 top 5ish MW's and a bunch of bottom 8-20 MW's. Ask Canelo what he feels about fighting GGG he's saying he ain't scared and don't duck nobody ask. GGG about fighting Ward he say's the same excuses people bash others for not fighting GGG for. GGG is an entertaining fighter but who's he fighting what is Murry or Macklin known for not being a champ but losing to them. A guy like Cotto has put in the work to do whatever he want's GGG hasn't done 10% of that so if he want's a real name and a legacy he needs to start doing something noteworthy

fyi between the 3 I got GGG beating Cotto and Canelo beating both

 

WTF kinda s hit is that ???

Put in the work ???


What he's done in other divisions has absolutely fu ck all to do with it. He's holding on to a middleweight title, and the linear middleweight title at that.

His ONE fight at MW got him a title by beating a near-geriatric, knee-damaged Martinez who was cashing out.

He should either face the clear-best MW in the division or relinquish the title and fight at 154.


I like Miguel's work but I don't think he's a top five MW. I'd love to see him face Canelo (I'm also a fan of his) at 154.

 

I don't even think GGG beats canelo so that "oh he's the best" save it. GGG's resume is on the same level as Quillin which isn't saying much. a HOF/ATG type fighter at the end of there careers can fight a bum because one bum on top of a HOF career isn't going to mean anything. A guy who fight's nothing but bums can't be picky. Cotto's win over Martinez is better than anything GGG's done at 160 it's not hate it's facts. I mean all this talk about he's so great what if when he steps up he get's exposed like most overhyped power punchers are you still going to be so adamant that a guy's who's fought everybody must fight a guy who's fought nobody. Let's be real if Cotto beat GGG the story isn't going to be Cotto had this great win it's going to be GGG was overrated and lost the first time he stepped up.

like I said I think GGG is a cool fighter but for me personally to praise you like you guys are doing him you have to actually do something, plenty of fighters throughout history have been "ducked" yet almost all still manage to get some good wins GGG doesn't have one and the few chances he's had to get one he doesn't want to take.

 

Well, we'll find out what the story will be when Cotto grows a pair...

 

If you think Ward's resume is garbage you must be really unimpressed with Golovkin's resume.

 

Ward's resume >> Golovkin's resume

Canelo's resume >> Golovkin's resume

Khan's resume >> Golovkin's resume

 

DARN GGG is a good fighter. He does need to step it up however.....

 

Hi mate, I'm a big fan of GG's, but my money would have to be on Andre and James at SMW. I think people are getting a little carried away. GG isn't a big guy and we don't know how he'd cope against bigger guys. Not only that, the two guys in question are very skilful southpaws with significant advantages in reach and height. I like GG and everything he stands for. But the truth is, he's still unproven to a degree and I don't think he's hard to find.

I respect everyone's opinion, but I think James and Andre out of any potential opponents, are the worst match ups for him stylistically. Andre is fast and immensely talented, and Degale seems to be getting better each time I see him. So there's just too many unanswered questions for me. How would GG cope with the extra weight? What would he weigh in at? Could he take shots from big SMW's who weigh in at LHW and above on fight night? I watched him fight Murray a few weeks ago and I just couldn't envisage him fighting Degale. I'm not saying that GG couldn't beat both guys, but if the fights were made tomorrow, they'd have to be favourites over him. Again, I respect Barcham's opinion, but I don't see how GG beats them easily. I don't know what that opinion is based upon.

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Southpaw,


You've made some outstanding points on this thread.

But I think GGG will wait just a tad longer to see what unfolds. I know he's not the youngest fighter out there, but I think the picture will be a lot clearer of what's possible and what's not at MW within the next 6-12 months. I desperately want to see him move up, but only when he's done everything possible at the weight. I don't want to see him yo-yo between the two divisions, I want to see him leave MW for good, and see out his career at SMW. I understand your point regarding the importance of the wins, but MW is a prestigious division and GGG wants to emulate the greats of the past. He wants to be the unified champ. But I think he's in a good position. There's potentially some good MW's out there to fight, and Eubank Jr should be in the mix soon. He'd starting to get a lot of publicity, and in another year that could be a big fight.

If I was in GGG's shoes, I'd make a decision this time next year. In another years time, they maybe some great potential fights at SMW by then if he wants them. James Degale or Andre Dirrell should be a world champ by then, and Ward should still be there, hopefully having fought a few times on his new contract. Also, Guys like Groves may come back strong, and Callum Smith and Fielding could possibly be in the mix. I also believe Froch will still be around as well. So I don't think he needs to rush anywhere at this moment. I think he can try his best to clear out MW, while he sits back and watches what develops at SMW. But I definitely think he'll move up within the next 12-18 months.


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Again, I have nothing but respect for your opinion.

But despite his stats, there isn't enough evidence as far as I'm concerned, to say that he easily beats Dirrell and Degale at SMW.

His amateur record is impressive, but at the end of the day, they were three round fights.

Who's he really fought in his 32 pro fights?

You've said yourself he's a natural MW who could make JMW.

Not taking a backward step against the likes of Macklin and Murray does not automatically mean that he can easily defeat a 6ft southpaw with a 75" reach, who also has great speed, skill and power. Degale and Dirrell are very talented and awkward to fight, and they weigh in at 175 and above.

I don't know about your defensive stats, but GGG seems pretty hittable to me, and I don't think Dirrell and Degale with their height, speed and reach, would have too much trouble in finding him.

Below are questions that as yet, we don't have answers to:


What weight would GGG weigh in at, up at SMW?

Would it affect him?

Would he fight big SMW's in the same manner as he's fought his MW competition?

Could he take fully fledged shots against guys who weigh in as LHW's and above?

How would he cope against big, fast, powerful southpaws who are significantly bigger?


IMHO, there's far too many unanswered questions before you can start claiming he'd go through the likes of Dirrell and Degale. It's more than possible that he's got the power to take them out, but he may not be able to land flush, due to the styles. He also maybe able to take a great punch, but he doesn't have to be stopped to be beaten. Again, Dirrell and Degale would be bigger, taller, heavier, faster, fighting from a southpaw stance. It just seems foolish to me at this stage, to predict that GGG wouldn't have an issue with any of those factors.


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