I like Golovkin but Middleweight division is one of the WEAKEST in boxing

Some people will never be happy

Geale is a solid fighter.

 

160 lbs isn't strong but take GGG out of the division and most of the top ten would be in competitive fights with each other.

 

:rofl:rofl

 

What? Neither Macklin nor Geale were any good?


Yes, the division is a bit weak at the moment but you have guys new guys coming up like Korobov, Murata, Chudinov and even the likes of Monroe Jr, Lemieux and Jacobs should be taken note of.

 

160 is a weak division. Guys like macklin and Geale ain't elite fighters in that division.

 

I dont think MW or SMW seem to be as strong as they were a few years back.
Im sure many will jump on this thread or even try and avoid it. Some will not even be able to recall a few years back and others are just taken by hype and thinking if a fighter is known, it must be a good division with tough fights. Still here goes...


MW...
We have just seen a fighter who had been a former LWW title holder, and been a LW, go up and defeat the MW champ (I know Duran did it), who was a former WW. Now Cotto and Martinez are great fighters, who I rate highly, but I dont think either would be near the top in the era a few years back, with Hopkins, Holmes, Joppy or even MWs that were around like Echoles and Eastman.
Im not sure either would want to go up to MW when you had such big MWs around.

SMW...
Suddenly people who didnt watch the division much before the S6, think its a tough glamour division, but dont have a clue. The biggest win for the magazine champ and magazine #1, is a faded fighter beaten when prime in the previous era. The champ, just beat Kessler, who beat Froch, who beat Bute and never beat a top undefeated fighter. Ward may be good, but we wont know, because hes not in an era to show it. The current #1 was beaten by faded Kessler, taken to a Mdec by faded Johnson who couldnt make it in the previous era at SMW.
I am sure these fighters would have made an impact, but dont think it would have been to the same degree a few years back. Consider how Ward struggled with faded Bika and Froch lost to faded Kessler, then see how they would have done with those fighters in their primes.
If you need further proof, just look at how in the previous era, Steiglitz was not able to get a title, yet became a world champ in this era, Bika when prime in the previous era was beaten, yet now when faded in this era, is a world champ.



What we need to remember...
The MW champ of the previous era, did clean up and beat the top rival champs
The SMW champ of the previous era, did clean up and beat the top rival champs

All this takes time and that shouldnt be forgotten, and other fighters will come through.


Today...
With undefeated fighters, we really dont know how good they often are or arent, but they often need top fighters to show it against.

MW
Golovkin and Quillin, may become top players, but I think both need to get some fair comp on their resumes, like Sturm, Murray, Geale for example, to build up big interest for a unification.

SMW
Ward does not really have any other top undefeated fighters to face. He had Bute but didnt face him. Ward could face DeGale possibly, as Ward has not fought a good boxer mover to my knowledge, and didnt get to face Andre Dirrell either.



Look at how Geale and Soliman are considered top MWs today, yet Mundine beat them and was faded by the time he beat Geale.
Look at how Bika in this era can be a SMW champ but was unable in the previous era.
Look at how Froch lost to faded Kessler, who is Wards biggest win, but Kessler was faded then and lost to the previous champ years previously.

 

is lmw is strong because the is a lot of americans, and mw is weak because of lack of americans. if that is so the is just onesided perception

 

I dont think where someone is from has anything to do with it.
Look at how a former LWW is champ now.
How Soliman who was being beaten by fighters like Eastman years ago, is now a MW champ at 40.
How Geale who became a unified MW champ was beaten by a faded Mundine.
How Sturm well past his best is still a big factor.
How a former WW could reign as MW champ for a long time and beat fighters like Barker who would go on to be a MW champ.

These are just a few examples and I dont think SMW or LHW are as strong as yesteryear

 

eastem back then was a beast he nearly beat joppy
mundine for short period was truelly a great fighter especiall at smw

and no one is diminishing haglers credibilty losing to leonard, and martinez between 200-2011 was truelly special watch pavlik and both williams fight

 

In the last couple of months I heard claims that;

Heavyweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Cruiserweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Middleweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Light Welterweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Featherweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Flyweight = the weakest division in boxing.
Strawweight = the weakest division in boxing.

The whole of boxing is made out of weakest divisions. Wich is it?

 

You werent watching boxing at that time if you think Johnson, joppy, or Echols were top guys. Curtis Stevens>Echols. Macklins as good as joppy who was never anything special and that was proven when a ww, tito, obliterated him.