I like Joshua, but everything he does seems small now compared to Fury

AJ Lost to an obese scrub. Until AJ goes back in there and knocks out, not wins by decision but actually knocks out Andy Ruiz Jr as brutally as he got stopped, then he could never redeem himself and make himself relevant ever again.

Fury was never stopped by a scrub like Andy Ruiz Jr. For as long Joshua has that stoppage loss to Ruiz Jr and hasn't avenged it with a stoppage win of his own he'd forever be in his master Fury's shadow as a little-slave boy.

There are few things more embarrassing than a tall, physical specimen with mostly muscles, failing to KO a fat obese midget thereafter his fans and himself deeming it impressive to merely beat that scrub by decision, after he got stopped himself in the first fight by that obese midget.

Are people even reading and hearing themselves? Joshua got stopped by a fat obese midget and failed to stop that fat obese midget in the rematch. Nothing Joshua does now, is going to have an ounce of relevance any more.

 

I think Fury has done a pretty decent job, just not sure how those who called Wilder a novice that cherry picks fighters ranked 200-300 would be the reason to call Fury great. Let alone those who said Wlad high-jacked the HW belt by clinching in the most boring of styles. Kinda dampens the legacy IMO.

 

Fury probably has the greatest HW story of all time. If someone scripted it, it would seem far fetched.

 

You just know that they’re making a movie about him in the future. Especially if he makes undisputed. All the ingredients are there for it.

 

Tell you what dude, it is inspirational as hell man.

 

"I like Joshua, but everything he does seems small now compared to Fury"
Dude - the Fury/Wilder 2 fight was just a couple of weeks ago and AJ hasn't "done" anything yet.
Lets see what happens. Tyson has the momentum, but by fight night it will be 50/50 fight.

 

I like both and I normally root for both when they are fighting other people. In this case I will be rooting for AJ. I think AJ can do more and can build more of a legacy than Fury. Fury has been a pro much longer than AJ. He has had many more fights than AJ, yet Furys record is not much better than AJ's. People are criticising AJ for his performances against Ruiz jr. In the heavyweights anyone can get stopped, ATG's have been stopped but AJ came back and boxed beautifully. I cant say Fury is the man at heavyweight until he beats AJ. AJ still is the king of PPV at the moment without a doubt.

 

Top heavyweights don't lose to Buster Douglas
Top heavyweights do not lose to Hasim Rahman
Top heavyweights............etc

So basically, not necessarily true.

 

Said 'scrub' couldn't even be bothered to stay in what little shape he was in to make their rematch competitive. What benefit is there in a third fight? AJ got the W, time to move on.

 

Fury has never defended a title . I thought the biggest thing or achievements was defending titles since that’s the harder thing to accomplish which is staying on top when fighting in AJ’s case would be quality competition and I believe one of only three champions to win an immediate rematch at heavyweight .

 

Well, there shouldn't have ever been a rematch in the first place if Joshua was at all as good as some claim him to be.

Andy Ruiz Jr still has a stoppage, not decision, but a stoppage win over Joshua. If a 6 foot 6 muscular man can't KO an obese midget like Ruiz Jr but needs judge's help to win, then he deserves no credit for anything he does for the remainder of his career.

 

Even the best have off nights. Was Ali any less great because he lost to Leon Spinks, who had seven fights?

So?
Nobody's ever stopped Ruiz. He has an iron chin and he puts powerful combinations together very well at close range. In such a situation, with the rematch being a 'must win' fight for Joshua, it was much safer and more prudent for Joshua to use his reach advantage and outpoint him. Could Joshua have knocked him out? Probably. But then he might've risked getting caught again and as embarrassing as the first loss was, Joshua's career was not going to take two consecutive losses to 'an obese midget'

Really? So if he beats Fury and becomes an undisputed champion he deserves no credit for that because of one blip which he rectified? Is that seriously your argument?

 

But guys like Ali never lost to someone as obese and pathetic as Ruiz Jr. Your comparison is a false equivalence!

I mean, for crying out loud, this is the guy you're defending lost to:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content...jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1

Take a long, hard look at that and tell me if a tall, physical specimen such as this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/nintchdbpict000363567085-e1510254816304.jpg

Should EVER, and I mean EVER acceptably not only lose, but lose by stoppage to that obese midget and then fail to stop that midget in a rematch?

I mean, this is beyond laughable! There is literally no excuse for Joshua to not only get stopped, but then fail to avenge that stoppage loss by a stoppage win of his own. I don't care about 'off night' excuses and nonsense. With the sheer number of advantages Joshua had in:

1) Height

2) Reach

3) Muscle mass

4) Wealth

5) Functional weight

Joshua should never, and I mean never be losing to someone as disgraceful as Andy Ruiz Jr, even in an off night. A father should never be beatable by his 10 year old daughter or son, no matter how bad or 'off' his night / day is. That's how ridiculous that match up was from the start. But Joshua still did lose.

I mean, a football (soccer) team can't avenge a 4-0 loss by winning the rematch only 2-0. To avenge the loss, they must at least win 4-0 in the rematch to level the scoring or win by more than a 4 goal margin to surpass their opponent.

Don't sit there and tell me Joshua tapping his way to a decision win was supposed to be impressive and was supposed to ever avenge a humiliating stoppage loss. More so with the numerous advantages he had.

In fact, for Joshua to even need the judges to beat Andy Ruiz Jr, is in itself an embarrassing failure and loss from his part, due to the numerous advantages he possesses over Ruiz Jr and failing to beat Ruiz Jr by a sufficiently wide enough margin.

Point is, Joshua should not only be able to beat Andy Ruiz Jr, but should also be able to beat Andy Ruiz Jr by a sufficiently wide enough margin, based on the advantages he possesses. And failing to do so, means he is not worthy of any credit or praise.

Also, Anthony Joshua is never beating a fully-motivated and focused Tyson Fury. Ain't gonna happen!

 

No it isn't. You're arguing Ruiz is a lesser fighter and not even arguing that he's a lesser fighter based on his record, credentials or boxing ability but because Ruiz is fat. I've got news for you. Most of the guys in the heavyweight division are fat. Tyson Fury is fat and he's considered one of the best boxers in the division

Most fathers aren't outweighed by their ten year olds by some twenty pounds

Where in the rulebook is that written? Far as I'm aware, unless we're talking about aggregate scoring, you avenge your loss by beating the other team

It didn't have to be impressive so long as he got the win. Even Fury defended him, saying he'd rather stink up the room and win than lose in an exciting fight

Many of which he used to get the win

He won every round

I'm sure your belief that Joshua doesn't deserve credit or praise is really keeping him awake at night

I'm sure if he does you'll find some way never to give him the proper respect he deserves regardless

 

Personally have always seen Fury as the man to beat i think he smokes Aj he cant keep Fury off him like he Ruiz