I love JMM, but what has he done to merit being top 5 P4P?

atsch

Pacs beaten Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley and Bradley in the same time that Marquez has lost to Floyd, beaten Casamayor, Diaz, Katsidis, Ramos and Fedchenko. And barely beat Pac.

Why is it cool to hate Pacquiao on ESB, people forget this guy came from the gutter, some malnourished third world kid becoming the first eight division world champion. Most incredible story in boxing in the last 10/15 yrs by a long way

 

There will always be fans who discredit other boxers.
Either way, Pacquiao is one of the ATG's and his career isn't even finished yet. So we just have to wait and see how he performs in December which coming up quickly.

 

Defeating the #2 P4P in the world, Manny Pacquiao. And leaving behind his lineal 135 pound title to jump two divisions for the opportunity.

And if you say one win doesn't get you there, then have beef with "how he deserved P4P #2 in 2008." Him being P4P top 5 isn't a shock, it's a matter of if you had dropped him out of it for whatever reason too soon.

 

If anybody else lost a decision to someone else on the P4P list, especially when the loser was the bigger man on paper who'd been in the division for 3 years, there are ZERO doubts that they would be lower than the man they had lost to. And yes, consensus is that JMM beat Pac in III.

 

Sorry, thats not how it works at all. Lets say somehow Cotto managed to win a close and contested decision over Floyd. Would that make him p4p number 1?

Marquez is a great fighter but he could never have put on the kind of winning streak against the opposition Pacs faced

 

Dont think Rahman was better than Lewis p4p when he beat him. Dont think Norton was better than Ali when he beat him.

Its not a case of lets swap rankings if I beat you. Almost as silly as Hatton claiming he would be p4p #1 should he beat Pac. Its not 1 name, its what you've done combined. Pac has continually shocked the world with his performances and lost unofficially a very close decision to JMM. As Lewishamboy put it, look what they have done in the same span of time.

 

1. It wouldn't make him P4P number 1. But it would certainly place him above Floyd on the P4P list. Nobody is placing Marquez number 1. They are doing the right thing and placing him above Pacquiao on the P4P list. This is obvious, don't try to turn around what I said, which ultimately hurt your argument anyway...

2. Well, there is the matter of size. That is like me saying there is no way Pac could have put together the winning streak against the opposition Sergio has faced. Or saying that Pacquiao wouldn't be undefeated against the same list of guys Mayweather fought when he fought them. These are irrelevant and do not factor in in the slightest. Or in my opinion, since that is all that P4P is; just an opinion, these factors are irrelevant.

 

It's not a matter of swapping. It would be a matter of the loser dropping a couple spots, and the winner rising a couple spots, and above the placement of the loser in almost every case.

For the record, several people gave me **** when I listed Wonjongkam higher P4P than Sonny Boy Jaro after Jaro KO'd him back in March. I now agree with them, for the most part, although that one case with Pong is quite an extreme of ranked fighters so I wouldn't make a precedent out of it.

 

Please show me one respected boxing analyst/magazine/journalist that has Marquez above Pacquiao on their p4p rankings. I cant seem to find one.

Marquez is about the same size as Pac and started out at featherweight as opposed to light flyweight, Martinez is massive compared either guy.

 

:deal

 

You mad cuz Floyd lost to Castillo and Manny to Jmm thrice.

 

LOL

Marquez should be #1, after that comes the rest, May, Pac, Martinez, Donaire, Ward.