I personally think George Foreman's comeback was a superior effort to Larry Holmes'

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Here is why,



    FOREMAN'S BEST WINS IN COMEBACK:

    1. Michael Moorer - 35-0, lineal heavyweight champion
    2. Lou Savarese - 36-0, USBA heavyweight champion
    3. Adilson Rodriguez - 36-2, Brazilian heavyweight champion
    4. Alex Stewart - 28-3, fringe contender
    5. Pierre Coetzer - 39-4,Fringe contender
    6. Crawford Grimsley - 20-0 prospect
    7. Jimmy Ellis - 17-0 prospect
    8. Bert Cooper - 20-4 Journeyman.
    9. Axel Schultz - 21-1, contender ( okay, Schultz got robbed )
    10. Gerry Cooney - 28-2, faded veteran.

    FOREMANS LOSSES:

    1. Evander Holyfield
    2. Tommy Morrison
    3. SHannon Briggs - possible robbery

    LARRY HOLMES BEST WINS IN COMEBACK

    1. Ray Mercer - 18-0, Solid Contender
    2. Jessie Ferguson - 20-12, past prime journeyman.
    3. Jose Ribalta - 33-9-1, past prime journeyman.
    4. Mike Weaver - 41-17-1, faded veteran
    5. James Smith - 44-16-1, faded veteran
    6. Butterbean Esche - 65-2-3, make of him what you will
    7. Paul Poirer - 29-2, journeyman
    8. Michael Greer - 42-11, past prime journeyman
    9. Ken Lakusta - 21-19-1, tomato can
    10. Quin Navarre- 17-3-1, journeyman.


    LARRY HOLMES LOSSES IN COMEBACK:

    1. Evander Holyfield
    2. Brian Nelson
    3. Oliver McCall


    ANALYSIS: In the loss department, I'd say these guys are basically tied. No real difference there, and even if there is, its marginal at best. From there on out however its not even close. George Foreman had a comeback record of 31-3-26, while Holmes' second career consisted of 21-3-10. Additionally, their competition weighs heavily in favor of Foreman. Foreman's best comeback win was his KO of Michael Moorer - a 35-0 lineal champion who had just taken the title from Evander Holyfield, making Foreman the oldest man to ever regain the lineal crown. Holme's best victory was his decision over Ray Mercer - an 18-0 prospect who's best win was over Tommy Morrison. Clearly Foreman takes the cake in terms of single best win. As we go further down the line to second tier opponents, it gets rather ugly. Foreman fought a fair number of undefeated prospects, fringe contenders and respectable journeyman who's ages ranged anywhere from late 20's to perhaps early 30's, and who had fairly respectable records. Larry Holmes was fighting 40+ year old former champs, ex-contenders and journeyman who sometimes even crossed into the realm of tomato can.. Now, you could say that Foreman received a gift in the Schultz fight, but then most ( including myself ) felt that he was robbed in the Shannon Briggs match. If we want we can mix and match by counting his fight with Schultz a loss while giving him the nod for Briggs, and frankly I think he actually comes out better. But, that of course is up to the individual. Once again, Foreman's comeback made history by shocking the boxing world to regain the heavweight title 20 years after his first reign. Larry Holmes failed on all three of his attempts to win back a strap, including against two of the worst alpha titists of all time in Brian Nelson and Oliver McCall........

    CONCLUSION : Some might make a valid argument that Larry Holmes was a tad more deserving of his title shot at Evander Holyfield than Foreman was by virtue of his win over Mercer. That's fine, but if we're talking about who had the better comeback run overall, the award goes to George Foreman and its not even close.

    1. Foreman had the better comeback record
    2. Foreman finished his comeback with wins over better opponents
    3. Foreman regained the heavyweight title, while Holmes didn't
     
  2. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I've seen, most feel Holmes was robbed against Neilson, and I thinkmost think Holmes put on better losing performances. Foreman has the better wins, but Holmes has the better performances.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I did not see the Neilson fight and have heard very little about it. Brian Neilson however was notorious for being involved in fights that were often fixed or had questionable outcomes. That said, it is possible that Holmes may have been robbed, but also consider that he was in the ring with a man who had a fabricated career and probably had no business being called a top rater to begin with.......
     
  4. Bill1234

    Bill1234 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In the early rounds Larry kept Neilsen off with the jab and rocked him with rights hands. By about the 5th round all Nielsen did was tackle Larry and throw sloppy punches that missed but got a charge out the crowd. They were both tired at the end, with Brian being the aggressor and more active with his lunging, but Larry landing the cleaner and more precise shots.
     
  5. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :vonnecunt Starting a new thread wont change what everyone thinks on the 5 other pages we discussed on this topic. :deal
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't think anything needs to be changed, except people's ability to be honest as well as to look at the WHOLE picture, which some are clearly incapable of......
     
  7. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larry Holmes comeback was respectable...... Holmes kicked some good ass........ Its just that Holmes was never network favorable, and thus, didn't earn the huge paydays that Foreman got........ Still... All bull**** aside, Holmes did a fine job on the rebound..... He's still a real "Haller" just like Foreman, as well........... Peace....

    SR.BILLARDO
     
  8. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :yep
     
  9. AnthonyJ74

    AnthonyJ74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Holmes was never as good a phony as Big George. Holmes usually just spoke his mind and never really worried about ruffling any favors. But the fact that Foreman was paid $5 mill to smack around a guy like Jimmy Ellis was shameful; that type of HBO money could have been spent on a much higher quality fight(or fights).
     
  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    You're right, it was better and far far more interesting. Holmes just didn't capture the imagination like George did and we saw how it made him even more bitter. In his world if a bloke has good words to say about people he's a "phoney", whereas it's called 'tact' in our book. Holmes is, was, and always will be, a crashing bore.
     
  11. OLD FOGEY

    OLD FOGEY Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mr Magoo----you make a persuasive case.
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    He does. The fact that Foreman's title win is scoffed at because Moorer had a weak chin is laughable. Patterson had a soft beard too, big deal. Both were legitimate champs. What stands out most for me in George and Larry's comeback is that only one of them tried to 'beat' Holyfield and it certainly wasn't Larry "Joe Bugner For The Night" Holmes.
     
  13. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    An awful list, laughable almost. It shows that Larry really did earn a second shot at the title. :lol:
     
  14. good right hand

    good right hand Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i agree, i have never seen the numbers all together like that. holmes looked really good against mercer and i thought he made a brave showing against holyfeild just as foreman. but foremans wins over moorer and solid savarese, coetzer and shultz where very respectable. i agree, the second comming of foreman was no joke.
     
  15. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    You have to give it to Foreman because he beat better opposition, even if he struggled in doing so. In terms of rounds-won, they performed comparable against the Bald Warrior, but Foreman's effort was much more inspiring, in coming back after taking 20 powershots in a row and keep bulling forward. The man is just so incredibly strong and it's great to see a smaller but great boxer in Holyfield dealing with that. Still one of my favorite fights.