I pick Greb over Tua

On the converse, how many young boxers try to look like Floyd or Andre, or in my day SRR or Ali, and find themselves face down on the canvas. Plenty of awkward, non-orthodox fighters have found a way to the belt, even in the strongest eras. It's not hard to nitpick Ali or Lewis or Holmes or Hopkins or any number of renowned "skilled" fighters... and each found a way to lose. However, when a guy only loses a handful of 300 fights, across weight divisions, across the color line, against 2 dozen HOF'er, and you suggest he is not that good, you are pretty much castigating an entire generation of fighters, guys who fought more often, who fought more times, who had longer careers and more competition numerically.

 

That video of Greb is hilarious. He is all over the show.

 

When I say ""try to fight like this guy", I'm not talking about mimicking his style, I'm talking about technique. I do like the technique of FMJ, Andre Ward, Evander Holyfield, Gil Turner, George Benton, etc. and would recommend their videos to people who are learning to box. Of the ones that I'd recommend, they have various "styles" but their fundamentals and good body mechanics are shared.

If I was coaching football, I wouldn't study video of the 1927 Chicago Bears. They might have been great for that era, but there have been changes and advances in the sport since. IMO, boxing is the same.

 

Wow, now Mickey Walker isn't good for modern standards...

 

The only footage of Greb looks pretty amateurish.

 

The 1927 Bears.... even the 1970's Raiders... were part timers. Well into the 1970's most football players held non football jobs in off season. Training camp was literally used to get in shape. Today, they are full time, all the time athletes and the notion of a training camp is an anachronism.

Champion level boxers in the latter 1920's and 1930's fought and trained year round, often several times a month. At the top the were consummate professionals. They had no off-season, rarely a specific training camp of any length for a given opponent as they were always fighting. There were pro's and con's to this arrangement, especially given the medical assistance of the day. But the comparison to a bunch of semi-amateurs playing a nascent sport in their off-time doesn't hit the mark.

 

Tua ko's him

 

Greb’s technique in that video clip looks just awful.Not even on the level of a semi-seasoned amateur.I am sorry but I gotta tell how I see it

 

Pat is spot on.

There seem's to be this theme on this board that yesterday was better than today, that's not really the case.

From what I can see of Greb, from that video, he looks like a complete and utter amateur. From what I've saw of Tua, Tua would be charged with murder if they met.

Watch Tua/Ike. There's a reason why Ike lost the plot, and it has a little something to do with Tua landing bomb after bomb on him.

As Pat said, if you TAUGHT SOMEONE HOW TO BOX, you wouldn't show them Greb, based on that video.

Wanna learn how to jab? Watch Larry Holmes.
Wanna see how far elite athleticism gets you in Boxing? Watch RJJ.
Wanna learn how to be a defensive master and not as much pick up a scar from 20+ years in the game? Watch Mayweather.
Wanna learn how to throw a right cross? Watch Lennox Lewis.
Wanna learn how to throw a left hook? Watch Tito, Fraizer, Morrison.

Greb, from that video, would have been annihilated by the RJJ's, Toney's, GGG's, let alone Tua.

People forget how scary Tua was in his prime. Ruiz looked like he was dead. Moorer the same.

 

Me to.

 

Serious question. How many times did Greb fight a boxer who weighed over 200 pounds, let alone beat a man over 200?

 

Youve never even seen him fight

 

A soothsayer, a visionary, a man before his time this Hookandjab, we have all been waiting for the messiah, a prophet , to walk amongst us again, kneel you heavens, bow before the mighty one, he is the one eyed man in the land of the blind, we all fought we knew our stuff, minion's, pleps, bottom feeders all of us, this man allows his mind to flow freely, to absorb, to be unshackled, he does not follow the crowd, he leads, from afar, up front where all stand and stare, let this not be his only post, let him and his wisdom reign on us mere mortals till eternity.
Amen.

 

This is the argument used by both sides.