I predicted that Brook would avoid Spence

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  1. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who turned down these fights? Weren't both bizier and dan ranked extremely high. The only person who's turned down a fight against Brook is Khan. Who are all these other top IBF guys? The only other 2 half decent guys in the IBF are Porter and Spence. Do you honestly believe that Brook will fight Spence after this fight? He has to defend his belt by Dec or come to some kind of an agreement to fight Spence since Bundu is Spence's final eliminator.

    Yep, I 100% see Kell just fighting guys like Peterson, Guerrero, Vasquez, building his name since the fight against GGG would always be there for him. Little G is an absolute coward he's never moving up in weight, he only fights guys from 147-160, and at the full 160. Little G and a big payday would ALWAYS be there for Brook. Brook's paychecks get smaller after he loses to little g, yes some people will see it as courageous, but losing your 0 by ko/tko in this era is extremely detrimental. It's less than half a year until he is "forced" to fight spence, I just don't see it as a coincidence that this is happening when Spence is closing in.
     
  2. kobashi

    kobashi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I never said fighters turned down Brook. IBF ranked fighters turned down the final eliminator. Bradley and khan both lost their IBF ranking as they decided to go down other routes.

    Like I asked before. Why did Spence team not make an offer to fight kell now instead of fighting the final eliminator?

    You gonna keep ignoring that important fact

    Oh and let's not forget how haymon wanted kell to drop the title when they were in negotiations with with khan.

    Asked him to not fight biezer and instead lose the title.

    Think we all know the reason why. Wanted to give Spence an easier route.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Brook would tear that hypejobs face off.
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not ignoring it dummy :patsch. You have absolutely no argument, and I schooled you but I'll break it down more for oyu anyways. The IBF ordered him to fight one final eliminator. Whether Spence offered them a fight or Brook's team offered them a fight, it's all a he said she said thing right now. Neither of them have provided us with any real evidence. What we DO have to go with is that Spence has been climbing the IBF ladder, why would he not want to fight Brook? Now that Brook is forced to fight Spence in less than half a year, it looks like he's cashing out against GGG. Of course this is all speculation, but it is perfectly logical argument.

    Anyways, if Brook takes the Spence fight after Golovkin I'd be shocked, but somehow I have a feeling that we'll never see that fight.
     
  5. jeremiclottey

    jeremiclottey Active Member Full Member

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    Once Spence becomes mandatory challenger, their team can try to force purse bid.
    Spence shouldn't skip eliminator. Remember what happened with Diego Chaves, he lost #1 position after Brook got injured
     
  6. kobashi

    kobashi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are ignoring it. Yes the IBF have ordered Spence to fight a final eliminator. His team could have easily made an offer to make the fight happen now.

    They didn't, you know fall well they didn't as they are perfectly happy to wait till he is mandatory challenger. Kell is happy to wait as he gets the big 75% split of the money.

    Honestly don't see why you cannot accept this is the reality.
     
  7. kobashi

    kobashi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly and that's why Spence team are happy to wait.

    I don't see why the OP cannot accept that. Talk of Brook ducking Spence is farcical.
     
  8. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    What's your point :lol:. Brook would have been forced to fight Spence by the end of this year. Hearn and Haymon have a close relationship, I'm sure numbers etc were discussed between them, and the only reasonable route is for Spence to become the mandatory. This would have happened in 6 months, Brook just happens to "cash out" before this fight can take place. It really doesn't take a genius to see why people are under the assumption that Brook is cashing out because of Spence.
     
  9. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm starting to believe that some fans of other welterweights want to discredit Brook so they can rank their guy higher without them having to fight Kell. That's why people were automatically putting all the blame on Kell for not fighting great opposition when it takes two to tango.
     
  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont rank Spence higher than Brook :lol:. But I'm willing to bet that Brook does not fight this mandatory that's coming up. His excuse will be that he's either too big for 147, or he's coming off getting destroyed by little G. Look at Kell Brook's resume, do you really think he's fighting Spence after GGG?
     
  11. N17

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    So Brook moves up two weights to fight Golovkin and somehow he is ducking Spence Jr :think

    The same Spence Jr who is about to fight Bundu 2-3 weeks before Brook fight Golovkin.

    I like Spence, I really rate him but you sound ridiculous.
     
  12. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll say it again. Kell (just like most people) has always wanted the big money. This is just the first opportunity he has had to have a big money fight. There's no reason to think it has anything to do with Spence.
     
  13. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why not, what the hell has Spence ever done to make Brook afraid of him? You think he will be scared of Spence after he has just fought Golovkin? Lol

    Look at Spence's resume, do you really think he wants anything to do with the #1 welterweight in the world?
     
  14. ellerbe

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    Spence is fighting Bundu because the EE chicken ponaduckling wanted nothing to do with him. Bundu is his final elim to finally forced Brook into a fight.

    Brook is doing the exact same thing khan is doing. Moving up 2 classes under the assumption that he's in a mostly-win situation. No matter what though losing your 0 is detrimental for your career. But he gets a career high payday and he can still have the Spence fight after for a similar amount of money. This move by Brook is definitely *****y, but calculated.
     
  15. Impulse_0

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    Your entire argument revolves around the premise that Brook is terrified of Spence. It doesn't make any sense to me he is moving up two weight division to fight against the most feared fighter in the sport. Spence is a prospect and thus, to a world champ, he is a nobody.

    The issue is you think about Spence more than Brook does. Spence is not mandatory, casual fans don't know who he is and he brings nothing to the table financially. Brook doesn't care and is not interested for those reasons and