I promise you its not a weak HWT era

Weakest era that I can remember. When the top two boxers are imho nothing better than ok then we have a problem.
However I think some people get a bit defensive at times. This is the first heavy era where euros have completely dominated and criticisim of this era maybe construed as by jealous americans trying to belitle european sucess. Well I'm european and I think this era sucks.

 

Well, Valuev at 320 pounds kinds of ups the average weight. Let's take him out of the equation.

Which Eastern European top twenty heavyweight is fat and out of shape?

If the Kltischko's were Americans, there would be less talk of how poor the heavyweight division is. The Division has some talent. What we need are more matches like Dimitrenko vs Chambers to help define the talent.

 

People must be blind. I don't care if it's Europeans or Americans, or Martians. Not including the Klitschkos, who ARE very good, the heavyweights of today are not as skilled, they are slower, they fight less frequently. Are you peole honestly going to look at fights and say that these guys are fast?
Can you with any credulity look at claim what you claim with fighters over 40 from the 90's, not great fighters mind you, fighters who could not become champs in the 90's, winning championships and being cometative today?

 

It is a shocking awful era. A geriatric Holyfield narrowly loses on points (many think he was robbed) against one of the top 4 heavys in the world and a world champion.
Totally washed up fighters who were never elite such as Rahman are contenders, the likes of Chagaev labour to a points win over UK domestic level fighters like Matt Skelton who took up boxing when he was 36 and was beaten more convincingly by Irish cab driver Rogan.

Obese, lumbering jokes like Sam Peter who can barely move were elite recently and still on the edge of being contenders.

Awful, pathetic era. Wlad and Vitali are both very good, and would have been dangerous in any era, but the rest is shite.

 

Yep! :good

Anyone remember Larry Holmes and the bunch of clubfighters and no-hopers who were active in Holmes ' prime?

Today's heavy weight division is head and shoulders above that era.

 

Good points you made!

The stiff Brit Bruno,the totally overrated Tua(who struggled with the likes of Hawkins and so on),Moorer,Golota,McCall,and so on were not really that better than today's version of Samil Sinan Sam,Vladimir Virchis,or Juan Gomez.
Dokes,Tucker,and those other American fightere were just lucky that there was no competition from outside the states then.They would not be able to compete in today's heavy weight division with any decent heavy weight.
Protected and totally overrated American fighters!

 

But the other contenders are slow, flat footed and under-skilled. I think it shows how bad it is when alot of them are so overweight.

 

I'm really ****ing sick of this argument. Did anyone, I mean ANYONE, give a **** when Ruiz, Byrd, Rahman, Brewster and Briggs held HW titles in recent years? Was there a great uproar of celebration on the part of American fans when Briggs "reclaimed" one of the HW titles from Lyakhovich? **** no. Those guys took just as much if not more **** from American fans than any else.

Face it. People criticize the division because it's in very bad shape.

 

A diverse talent pool isn't necessarily a good talent pool.

 

Ummm..,dude. I suggest you reread his post. You aren't supporting his position.

 

I know..lol Ruiz was at the top of the division for a while did we all clam together and support that boxing is not dead..lol Or even Byrd or Rahman(we all knew Rahman would get beat in a rematch) The bull**** accusations from the eastern euro circle jerk dont hold no ****ing water. We also say Larry Holmes dominated a weak division. This **** has no biased. Just b/c they have some names at the top of the ranks finally they think their average ass fighters are somehow on equal terms with guys that were clearly better than them from yesteryear. We have eyes mother****ers.. this **** is not up for discussion.

 

Agreed. IMO the guys who chalk up all of the criticism of the HWs up to "racism," "xenophobia" and American jealousy are just projecting their own proclivities onto others.

 

Thompson? really?
Please stop. Stop now.