I re-watched and re-scored Barrera vs Morales 1 for the 1st time in years last night

If you cant acknowleadge what you wrote, and want to dwell on the semantics of the situation, then you can go right ahead and debate with yourself.

.......I wont waist my time dealling with the likes of arrogant trolls in this forum.

 

Marquez fought some real shoddy competition at 126lbs.

 

From someone who scored a 10-8 round in favor of JMM!

You know **** when it comes to scoring.

 

Someone might get hurt!

 

Even though he's become a true *******, I'll quote Freddie Roach right before the JMM-Pacquiao rematch too place.......this at a time after JMM had clearly decisioned MAB in an entertaining fight.......

Roach when asked for an opinion on the difference between the Pac of the first JMM and the fighter who was now going to face JMM in a rematch, was quoted as saying Pac had evolved in his technical abilities, that he was now a more complete and multidimensional fighter.

When asked on the difference between the Marquez of the first Pac fight and that from his recent fights, Roach said something to the effect that Marquez had turned into a more fan friendly fighter, more willing to take risks, and because of it was getting hit more.
Roach went on to say, that it was hard to tell if Marquez had changed his style because he was slowing down or because he wanted to bring attention to himself by fighting in a more fan friendly style.......if the version of JMM that beat MAB shows up, Pac will knock him out easy."Roach was quoted as saying.

......but Roach also said, I think Marquez will go back to his old style......which told us right there that he still believed Marquez had plenty in the tank and had fought MAB in an aggressive manner out of neccesity to get noticed.

I agreed with Roach 100%.........had Marquez strictly chosen to box MAB, he'd have outboxed MAB without getting hit much......

......but because we all knew that MAB would fight like he did against Juarez and elect not to engage JMM and make it as uneventful as he could so that the name of the event had the better chance at the decision.......Marquez as Nacho Beristain had alluded to in the days leading to the MAB fight, would come out hte aggressor and not let MAB walk out of the fight with a chance to get a gift decision.

People today like to point to the Marquez-MAB actual fight and say that if a past it MAB made it competitive, a prime MAB would surely beat him.......

The fact of the matter the way I see it is that MAB's best shot to beat JMM was to make it a slugfest.
Thats exactly what JMM made it and MAB could'nt keep up with the pace.

Had this matchup been prime for prime imo, Marquez would have chosen a boxing gameplan and MAB like he did in the Morales matchups when he was being outboxed, would have turned slugger to be taken apart from Marquez who would prefer his opponents fight him in that manner.

There is not an ounce of doubt in my mind that Marquez takes apart a come foward slugging MAB.......as it is, Marquez clearly beat a jabbing boxing Barrera while going out of his comfort zone and taking the fight right at Marco!:deal

 

I had Barrera winning all three fights. The second was the closest but he deserved to win it by outboxing Morales. People gave Barrera **** for not being a face first mexican slugger in that fight but he showed it was the right strategy and it probably prolonged his career a few years.

 

You guys have to remember that pro bouts are scored differently than the amateurs. They are looking for clean effective punching not just volume most of the time. Unless it is overwhelming like in the case of pac/clottey. But sometimes you just have horrendous judges like in the case of shumenov/campillo

 

Marco Antonio Barrera was not in good shape for this fight and was generally at the end of the road. Let's lay that out there before we start.

Being perhaps the biggest fan of Juan Manuel Marquez on these boards, it's no surprise to me or anyone else that you would think this.

Marquez narrowly defeated one of the worst versions of Marco Antonio Barrera I've personally ever seen. Barrera's bodywork was literally non-existent, and he was tiring down the stretch whereas usually that's when he'd get his best work done. In all of his biggest victories, Barrera was accustomed to finishing strongly. Against Hamed, he dominated the two last rounds, and in his first two encounters with Morales, he'd conclusively won the last rounds. Too see Barrera tire was a big surprise to me, and his belly looked soft and whilst in the corner during the fight, he looked like a shop-worn, old fighter.

Marco was never outboxed against Morales. I had him winning the return bout narrowly, as did other credible and knowledgeable posters among us.

As it is, peak Marquez went life and death with a past prime Barrera who was soft in the midsection, didn't go to the body, and could no longer sustain a decent work rate. As I see things, Marquez spent a great deal of his career feasting on second rate Featherweights and has fell short in most of his biggest fights. Barrera was multi-dimensional, and could have out-boxed or out-slugged Marquez at his peak. My honest opinion.

And just so we don't lose perspective on how competitive a past prime Barrera was, I've enclosed the following.

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MAB was only a slugging machine at jr. fw, after that he would only do it when necessary. Old MAB held his own in a boxing match with JMM, I think a young MAB would just beat him boxing. Also MAB was able to take him off his feet, just like Pac, so give him a good chance for a couple 10-8 rounds.

I like JMM, I respect his abilities enormously so I'm not going to say I'm SURE that MAB could outbox him, I just THINK he could. It's a matter of opinion. Whether he could or he couldn't, I still think EM-JMM would make for a more exciting clash of styles.

 

You can post pictures of each and every JMM fight post Pacquiao 1, and you will see his face is usually marked up even in fights he dominates.

You can keep ignoring the facts of the matter if it makes you feel better about MAB, but JMM turned into an aggressive boxer/puncher at the point after the 1st Pacquiao fight because for the life of him, he could'nt land a fight with the top fighters of the division.

.......the reason he landed the Pacquiao rematch was because he was finally getting noticed in his aggressive style and getting knockouts.

I'd venture to guess had Marquez played it stictly as a boxer, he never would have landed the Pacquiao rematch because the casual fan just does'nt appreciate fine counterpunching without the aggressive KO mentality.

Again, getting marked up in the MAB fight means nothing when there is proof he was getting marked up in most of his previous outings where he was winning handily.

3 judges and most of the media had JMM winning the MAB fight and winning it handilly, so keep saying it was narrow if it makes you feel better:hi:......Nuff said on the matter as surely I'm not going to change the minds of the biggest MAB fans on the board.

 

Its the other way around mate, Morales beat him clearly, the only rds that Morales couldnt make a STRONG argument for in the entire fight were rds 9 & 12.... he outboxed Barrera in just about every rd, Marco couldnt handle the jab & lateral movement, the frustration on his face was plain as day.... you`ve only recently seen the fight for the very 1st time, Addie (shocking for a big MAB fan), Ive seen this fkn thing loads of times & Morales won it hands down... it was the only clear win of the trilogy - but we both know a big money rubber match looks kinda pointless if one man is 2-0 up as opposed to 1-1 dont we ? :deal

 

Good. Bye.

 

Close thread now.... my man Addie has just taken comedy & delusional thinking to a whole other level.

Ps. Morales, Pacquiao & Marquez all hold DECISIVE victories over Barrera in fights were Barrera was still an elite p4p fighter aka not shot.... THATS the **** you need to start thinking about.

Morales is a better fighter than Barrera - period !


`Botswana`

 

Which fight did you watch? In the fight I watched, they boxed pretty evenly in the first half of the fight, and MAB damn near swept the bottom half of the fight. That's also the fight the judges saw, the commentators saw, and most of the world saw.

The fight you're describing never happened. I canNOT believe I missed a secret FOURTH mab-em fight!

 

Holds a victory over a prime or near-prime MAB??

Morales - no
Pac - yes
JMM - no

He went 2-1 with EM, and it should have been 3-0. It's a mark of your childishness that you're so willing to ignore reality to argue your point. Like my neice when she's caught lying red-handed but still keeps telling the same story. You're wrong, you know you're wrong, but you just keep saying the same **** over and over, thinking THIS time it will work. It won't.