I re-watched & scored Whitaker v Chavez !

I hate even rounds, if you were forced to choose who won rounds 1 and 9, who would you say won it?

 

Did you Micky Vann it in round 6 (take away a point without the ref's instruction)?

 

That was about what I had it. I was probably the only person in my neighborhood who thought Whitaker would win. In fact I had always said he was the man who would beat Chavez at any weight. Bad matchup for Julio, who was a grind-you-down kind of fighter. Translation: he has to hit you clean and often to beat you down. The lightweight Whitaker was darn near unhittable. There was no way Chavez was going to ever hit him often enough to slow him down and beat him.

At 135 Whitaker wins 10 of 12 rounds, imo.

 

Wait a Minute! Beating an aging Welterweight Chavez is one thing. But facing a prime Lightweight version is an entirelly different animal. Pernell barely outpointed a one armed Buddy McGirt in thier first fight. He earned the win by the way. But do you really think he would completely dominate a prime Chavez?! Would Whitaker be as durable as Meldrick Taylor? A prime Chavez body attack was brutale. if he couldn't land to the head. a body attack would be fierce.

 

Hi Califa. Yes but remember, facing a prime lightweight version of Whitaker is an entirely different animal as well. He was much harder to hit at 135 than at 147, where he was hit with much more regularity.

Was he as durable as Taylor? Moreso I would say, a fact that he proved beyong a doubt when a shot, drug-ravaged version of Whitaker took the fight to and literally flung himself upon Felix Trinidad, who was probably the most feared puncher in the game at the time. He had little to offer anymore but still got up every time he was hammered to the floor and attacked. At the final bell he was on his feet. I would lay you 10 to 1 that Taylor would not have finished on his feet under the same circumstances.

BUT...Whitaker wouldn't have had to be as durable as Meldrick Taylor because he wouldn't be trading with Chavez the way Taylor was. I see him making the much slower Julio miss and peppering him with counters. And whatever Julio did manage to land I don't see Whitaker having too much of a problem taking. If the bigger, stronger and harder hitting Trinidad couldn't take a has-been Pernell out then I doubt Chavez could take out the prime version.

Just my two cents

 

Whitaker/Taylor is about as inept a comparison as they come.

 

iBy durable I mean if Whitaker can stand the physical abuse a prime Chavez could dish out. Whitaker might not want to trade punches, but a prime Chavez will get his. Unlike Trinidad, Chavez is not a one punch knockout artist. Ha attacked to the head and body equally to devistating results. Not even saying Chavez would win for sure, but one yhing is certain. it wouldn't be a lopsided affair.

 

It's revisionist history to say it was an "aging welterweight" Chavez Whitaker faced that night.

I seem to remember everyone thinking at the time that Chavez was very sharp and dominant going into the fight. Not a soul talked about any impending fall from grace. Yes, he fought a couple pounds over his usual fighting weight.......and by that I mean literally a couple. He weighed in for Whitaker at 142. To hear his apologists talk today, you'd think he waddled into the ring looking like John Goodman.

He walked into the ring an undefeated, dominant champion, and this many years on, he somehow had turned 50 years old and half decrepit the night before the fight. :roll:

 

I just wait for anarci coming in claiming Chavez was shot and the fight still really was close or even a draw.

 

:think I wouldnt say he was shot but he was on the downside and he shouldnt have taken the fight at Welter,which is a weight Whittaker was already comfortable with. Thats 2 advantages to Whittaker. This is one Whittaker fight i woulnt mind watching again havent seen it a long time but i believe i had this 116-112.

Like Califa said this fight would have been more tight(Pick em) if Chavez was in his prime or if this was held at LW or JW.

Hey Bodhi dont you have some thread about how great Max Schmeling was to post on:huh