I read that leading up to the Tyson fight, Holyfield benched 365 lbs for 10 reps

No PEDs lifetime, never used any at all?
Then that is more impressive!

Plus if you never even took Creatine-a natural substance but unlike protein powder/weight gainers, unnatural in that folks consume far more than they could ever plausibly get from a diet, hence effectively unnatural...
Then besides all your hard work, anything ~ 400 lbs., let alone ever, is a natural genetic potential greater than the average man!

 

Whatever he lifted is stupid, nut case, muscle-bound.

 

I gotta disagree with you there.
I am deeply against all PED use, especially when folks cheat/lie & steal money & glory from clean athletes bu using when it is illegal in sports.

But a small % of folks can get to Holyfield's levekl completely naturally.
And he was not "muscle bound" his speed & agility was very good.
The effort itself to get stronger can be completely positive, healthy, impressive discipline & effort...
Or narcissistic, driven by insecurity & (in the case of cheating) greed & dishonor.

Condemning all those who become very strong & muscular itself is iteself deeply misguided & wrong.

 

The good genetics to bench press 365 x 10 would be short arms, a long torso, and a thick chest, just the opposite of Holyfield. To believe that Holyfield did that I'd have to see it or someone I trusted who knew a lot about weight lifting would have to see it. A boxing trainer or some hang around would not convince me.

 

No, in my book holyfield was never a power man. It was probably 10lb for 365 reps.

 

You are wromg on a couple of scores.

1) I never claimed, nor has anyone on this thread, & rarely anyone on this whole website, that Holyfield was clean. I've said just the opposite many times & linked the damning evidence.
Thus you are unintentionally setting up & arguing against a "Straw Man".

2) That is just part of what makes up good genetics.
Thick chest is overwhelmingly a product of building muscle, which begs the question of whether it's done naturally or not.
Also that is not such an extraordinary level that one cannot have some features that are not ideal-hence you can see some massive BPers with say long arms.

3) Other things genetics, chiefly high natural androgen levels & thick bone structure, which also tend to be correlated.

 

Maybe Holyfield could dead lift 365 for 10, he is built for that. He is not built to bench press, even if he used lot of roids, at 225 pounds or less, he ain't benching 450-500 or 365 x 10.If he weighed 285 and used lots of roids, he might, but he would not be slim and muscular at 285.He'd be built thick like a bench presser.
Steroids were not mentioned in my post and you wrote a reply about straw men and roids.Did you quote my post by accident but mean to reply to somebody else?

 

If it was not free weights, but on a machine, I think 365 pounds is possible for Evander Holyfield at that point in time. Plus we do not know if some sort of bench shirt was involved. Form could also be a factor. After all, this was not an internationally judged event.

 

I see we have another Mike Tyson fan convention going on.

'89 Holyfield stops '89 Tyson

 

No I replied to you-because I did not comprehend that you are saying what you just made explicit: that he could not Bench 365 X 10 even WITH PEDs!
That you are way off on Mr. Galt.
PEDs-especially used effectively over time, like the expert advice he must have gotten re: stalking them from presumably his trainer the 8 time Mr. Olympia Mr. Haney, can & will

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What does Julius Maddox have to do with Holyfield?Maddox weighs 440 pounds, his chest is thick enough that a lock out of his arms is probably about 6" above his chest, maybe less than that when he arches his back like most bench pressers.The guy's chest is probably at least 70", the guy concentrates on bench pressing, he's not a boxer.Holyfield was 6-2, 215, probably had a 44" chest, and did weight lifting to supplement boxing.Roids will make a person much stronger, but a guy training for another sport and not concentrating on bench pressing is not like a 440 pounder who is trying to break a bench press record.You seriously don't understand that a guy who weighs 440 pounds with a thick chest is not the same as a guy who weighs 215 with a lean, slim build although their arm length might be similar?

 

Ah no, you do not understand what I said, & did not address my points-besides the single one about Maddox being different.
I gave no indication that Holyfield should be expected to bench anywhere near Holyfield-just corrected that you need short arms to be a very good-great bench presser. It is not just giant guys who have little range of motion who can bench a ton, you can find tons of guys in the gym, pro sports like the NFL etc who can bench far more than Holyfield-even without making it their life's work-maybe worked at it less than Evander did.

Anyway my main point remains that with 'roids, HGH & all the potentiators like Insulin/IGF etc., it is more than plausible that some guys without remarkable genetics can hit 10 X 365-or more. Some no more than or somewhat less than Holyfield.
A guy here who is smaller described his #s & what he said is perfectly plausible, that with all the coaching/training & mainly PEDs-he said he is lifetime natural-his 1 RM of over 400 could become Holyfield's best-& that is more than plausible.

We have a guy here Rules make it interesting who never used anything & is stronger than any of these numbers above. Well into his mid 50's.
That is hard work AND genes/a huge bone structure.
But PEDs do/add so much that with effective training-& sometimes less efficently-365 X 10 at not much over 200 lbs., sometimes less, is very plausible.

And already we have testimony that I heard previously that Holyfield was much better at endurance/reps-that may be due to genetics more than PEDs, but PEDs must have lifted everything he did.

 

Single greatest post ever

 

That rumour is hilarious - Evander benching 365 lb 10 times. It means his one rep. max is around 50 lb away from the powerlifters that fall in the same weight class he is, so he equals the not so strong ones.