I really don't have a problem with the Williams - Lara Fight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by uptown_110, Jul 13, 2011.


  1. bobthebutcher

    bobthebutcher PED lab Full Member

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    The judges, because they dont have the ability to look at compubox counts.
    Im not saying its right, but that type of **** happens all the time
     
  2. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    I watched this wack ass fight 3 times, 3 ****ing times and it amazes me how people make it seem as if Lara dominated paul mayweather-gatti style or pacquiao-clottey style or froch-abraham, style those are fights that if had went the other way would have been robberies...

    I didn't see the fight live but before I actually watched it I thought I was gonna see a beating similar to hopkins-pavlik the way people on esb were screaming robbery, only to watch it and see lara throwing one punch at a time, he won many rounds decisively, but others he would land only one or two decent shots and wouldn't do **** else but excercise his legs...

    Meanwhile paul would just come foward throwing missing alot but in a few rounds would win just by out-working lara, paul didn't win the fight but I could see a draw definitely, in a fight that niether looked like elite 154lbers...

    Hell if pauls dumb ass could have adjusted and blocked the left hand he could have won easily, cause thats all lara had was the left...
     
  3. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how do u win a fight without landing? just explain to me
    besides,you could give the examples of the guy landing less but landing the hardest punches-like Jr vs Zbink-then u may have a point..but wtf Williams did to deserve a draw...just throwing and missing? think about it
     
  4. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Seriously, did you actually watch the fight?
     
  5. Hitta_Squadup

    Hitta_Squadup Beast ***e Full Member

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    First I said he didn't win, second he thru over a thousand punches, he landed and missed, third rounds are scored individually and I had paul definitely winning rounds 2, 4, 5, 6 &12, with ten being a toss up, thats why I said a draw I could live with but paul didn't win...

    Now go back watch each of those rounds and honestly say lara won each one without a doubt and i'll call you a lie to your face, cause in each of those rounds minus 10 lara did very little landing no more than 3 good punches those rounds and running the rest of the round, 2, 4, 5, 6 & 12,do your research and get back to me...
     
  6. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I had it 10-2 Lara (Watched day after). I could it being as close as 7-5 Lara, so while I think the judges got it wrong I'm not outraged by the decision.
    Lara could not miss with the left which in my opinion won him the fight. However Williams was also able to land punches of his own and was coming forwards most of the fight. Judges are suposed to score effective agression, but they often score for any kind of agression. Williams was scoring, so while I do not agree with it,I can understand the dicision.
    It's not the commantors you have to ignior when watching/scoring on TV. It's the punchstat/compubox numbers.
     
  7. uptown_110

    uptown_110 Member Full Member

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    Yes and just like Hitta said

    This was the majority of the fight. Sure he landed the flashy overhand left here and there but the most of the rounds he was running. And he didn't need to. I didn't think Lara won the third nor 8th. He would land one punch and would either run or hold. But when he was holding, Williams was punching. You don't just stop scoring a round when dudes are holding if the other guy is throwing punches. Lara could have won but he didn't do what he needed to do which was work harder and not just throw one punch. Williams can't fight lefties that are active, I didn't like this fight for him but Lara didn't capitalize enough to win imo.
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::patsch

    So hard, flush shots mean nothing right? Countless, perfectly timed counter shots that display skill, timing, craft, etc versus a much bigger man who brought nothing more than that criteria into the fight and couldn't land all but 5 flush shots.

    Are you sure you're not related to one of the judges? Lara almost killed PW. Only the disparity in size prevented him from getting KTFO early.
     
  9. uptown_110

    uptown_110 Member Full Member

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    You're acting like he was mopping him up like Pacquiao did Margo...there were rarely combos and mostly it was one shot. I generally do rank clean shots higher but his running nullified the clean shots for me. Paul's technique is sh1t against lefties...yes I get it, but I can't give Lara this one. Quintana did his thing. Sergio in the first fight did good (although I think PW got that one too) but Lara was on his bike too much for me.

    25 seconds of a three minute round of good work doesn't win you the round unless it's something extraordinary (Knockdown, bad hurt, etc.).
     
  10. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :patsch What do you freaken expect Lara to do? Stand there and trade with him give the huge disparity in size? He did what he had to do given the situation. He boxed and moved. And he almost killed PW doing that, landing about a million hard, flush shots both from leading and countering. He made PW look like a tomato can. Boxing is about SKILL. PW only had the size advantage and nothing else.
     
  11. Juv

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    I gave Paul Williams rounds 2, 5, 6, 10, and 12. Close fight. Definitely not a robbery.
     
  12. uptown_110

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    Was Quintana running around like Lara? How about Martinez in the first fight. Or Martinez's fight with Pavlik. You can definitely stick and move but the way he was doing I have a problem with. I felt it was somewhat excessive against a person who is easy to hit and generally lacks power.
     
  13. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Watch the Quintana fight again. It was similiar to the Lara fight. He boxed and moved. That's all he can do. You stand and trade and you play into William's strength. That would be foolish.

    So you didn't like the fact that he moved a lot. Well, too bad. It still doesn't change the fact that he dominated the fight and the way boxing is scored, he won pretty much every round. How many hard, flush shots from the outside did PW land? I say about 5, at most. All of his "work" was in the clinch, when he knew he could get in some shots.
     
  14. Goodhill

    Goodhill Iron Horse - born to lose Full Member

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    Yeah right. If it had been the other way around with Williams getting the judges diarrhea poured on him, you´d be screaming for robbery and justice
     
  15. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    dude, aparently the whole forum (or at least 95%)gonna have to go and do some research,as well as the press,the athletic commission,analysts,fans...we cant see your point.