I really hope boxing can learn lessons from

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  1. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the UFC.
    UFC 92 was great. There were 3 main events on one show. And all interesting and dramatic with great finishes.

    Boxing NEEDS to stack its shows with a product that consumers will appreciate and want more of. The UFC now advertises upcominng shows months in advance without announcing who the matches are and sells them out immediately! Its because they put out a great product for the fans. People still want good entertainment even in hard economic times.
     
  2. turbina

    turbina Boxing Addict Full Member

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    UFC is more popular then boxing at the time, so it can be even crap matchups and people will swallow it all up.

    Boxing has its huge fights to be made, but there are so many organizations, and problems that its so hard to get the right fights to be made, too much politics. UFC doesnt seem to be that way, things seem to be easier when it comes to putting on a big show, correct me if im wrong.

    Aside from that I don't like UFC. I only like to watch them when they are standing up and boxing, once they get on the ground and "mount" eachother I start to feel like I'm watching a gay porn.
     
  3. tonsetzer

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    You are right. Im not that much into UFC, but i recently watched the K1 Finale in Japan. Another great show with great fighters. You have many great fights on one day, thats what i miss in boxing too. Mostly there is one good mainevent, and if you are lucky there is one interesting support fight. Thats it. Anything else is close to a sensation. Boxing can really learn from that.
     
  4. SgrRyLeonard

    SgrRyLeonard Active Member Full Member

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    Yes, UFC is doing a lot of things right and I believe is here to stay. It's on free T.V. which means it's accesible to everyone, you get to learn about the fighters and know who everyone is, the cards are stacked top to bottom with great matchups that fans really want to see, and most importantly, the best fight the best. Boxing would be a lot better off if they started making the fights people really want to see more often, and have better undercards to main events.
     
  5. Poirot

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    Boxing would thrive if it had one dominant sanctioning body. This is completely unrealistic and idealistic, but also absolutely true.

    Although a powerful organisation like UFC will pick up haters, good luck to it because it means one authority that is situated best to make all the best fights happen. Watch - it'll be Rashad Evans v Rampage Jackson for the LHW championship next. And there'll be pressure on Dana White to stage a fight between pound-for-pound no:1 Anderson Silva to fight for the LHW title as this has big big appeal in the MMA world.

    Boxing still gets its great match ups. Cotto/Margo was immense (it was better than that actually), Pacman/Marquez was not that long ago and very good, Pacman/Hatton should be incredible on paper.
     
  6. bad4benny

    bad4benny Member Full Member

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    I know what your saying im not a big fan of ufc but they put on good events ,boxing used to have 3 good title fights on 1 card in the 80s and early 90s then in the late 90s but since pay per view has taken over the cards have got worse and worse sometimes just the main event as a decent fight and sometimes they dont live up to the hype
     
  7. superfly98

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    Watched my first UFC show last night and was very impressed with the billing. Always followed ufc from a distance. Watching the occasional youtube highlight reel. But was very suprised last night on the quality of the matchups. However most of the best matchups were due to boxers using boxing techniques. i.e Rampage left hook on Silva. That would of been on a highlight reel for even a boxing main event. Even the mir fight the combination from southpaw ...especially the corkscrew uppercut. Funny enough watching the show made be appreciate boxing even more. Through the show i was thinking if these guys could only tuck in there chins (especially silva!!! Im sorry but that chin was begging to be tagged)a bit more use the double jab more and follow it with a backhand could of got some of those fighter so much further or more head movement. I hope i dont offend any ufc fans as this is my first show and Im not if there are fighters who encorporate these features. Dont get me wrong im now a fan and will be following the matches more. Theres something about rashad, jackson and lesnar which just stinks of appeal.
     
  8. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    imagine a PBF vs pac main event with a haye vs klitschko undercard...and a mayorga angulo opener
     
  9. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The reason why UFC works is because one company owns all the fighters. In a way, the fighters get ripped off, all that revenue goes to the bosses. Boxing has trouble making the big fights because there are big disputes about the money, but it does allow the players to negotiate.
    Also, I'd like to add that mma is lame. I'd rather watch crappy boxing than the best mma.
     
  10. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a great show at UFC 92 and it was a great spectacle as the top fights were fought on their feet.
    The recent boxing PPVs have all had low key undercard matches and I do think they need to load them up with more meaningful fights. The whole bill for Holyfield v Valuev was surreal. I mean when you know the top of the bill fight is going to be awful, the last thing to do is dumb down the undercard to that level!
     
  11. Poirot

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    That is a good point you make about revenue and fighters getting small amounts (the hardest workers out of the lot in the whole product). People like Haye and De la Hoya have shown other boxers the way too make more money. You can't balme boxers for wanting to get more money because it is them that has to risk a McClellan type outcome - not the promoter.

    Nonetheless, I'd still have one dominant sanctioning body because they would be under pressure to deliver the best fights. That means Mayweather v Margarito, Magarito v Williams, Calzaghe v Jones in their primes years ago.
     
  12. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ultimate Floor Cuddling ?

    No way Mma and Ufc are very very dull to watch let's hope it doesn't take lessons from those steroid induced boring sports.
     
  13. yesihavearm2

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    Ive never really watched UFC all that much but I stayed up for last nights card.

    All I can say is that I was impressed. Not with UFC itself because I'll always prefer boxing. But with the way the show was put on, produced and most importantly the quality of the card.

    3 main events on one show, with several fights between young prospects and contenders. There isnt much record padding in the ufc thats for sure.

    Griffin vs Evans
    Nog vs Mir
    Rampage vs Silva

    all on one card.


    Thats the equal of having

    Pac vs Marquez
    Calzaghe vs Dawson
    Cotto vs Margarito

    all on the same card or something similar.



    If UFC keeps producing such quality shows I fear for the future of boxing.


    FOR **** SAKE, SOMEONE STEP UP.
     
  14. superfly98

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    Boxing has had some great matches during the last couple of years so I dont think its in decline (except heavyweights). The thing which boxing has which ufc doesnt is tune up fights. Now the thing is about tune ups theres a plus and minus side of this. One it helps develop the boxer...so in the long term the viewer does benefit from this. I mean hatton, mayweather, cotto have come along way from there first fight. It also keeps a fighters longetivity. Thats why it helps people like Amir Khan. Sometimes its a good thing because as fan u get to see a journey of a fighter from the beginning to the end. So loyalties are built. I mean i saw alot of hatton fans crying when mayweather knocked him clean out. I feel thats because these fans have followed hatton from the beginning of his career thus causing a bond between him and his fans. I dont think you'll get such a thing in ufc. I believes fighters careers are much shorter and a fighter like khan (not looking at his chin) would have a very short career in ufc as there arent many tune up fights or career building fights. But theres a flip side to this. U could say a no tune ups could expose a fighter like khan striaght away, U could say no tune ups mean better quality fights.....but does it? Fighters need tune ups to practise the skills they've learnt in the real enviroment not sparring, as any boxer will testify sparring and actually stepping in the ring are two complete different things. With tunes you could argue that you get better quality in the long run. For example if cotto fought margorito earlier in his career (i know he wouldnt of been able to but im just using it as an example) i think margorito would of got him out in the first couple of rounds. Us boxing fans wouldnt of been able to witness the spectactle that we saw. I think what boxing needs is a way to keep the factory line 'rolling'. In which I mean wheres theres a great, theres an up and coming. Wheres theres the up and coming, theres boxers with huge potential. The ufc uses the show ultimate fighter as great tool to progress up and coming fighters. So have to take my hat of to them for that one. In saying this I could be completely wrong in my perception of 'tune ups' in ufc as I dont really know much about it. But hey if i'am im sure someone hear will correct me ;)....who by the way who thinks Rashad would of been a great boxer?
     
  15. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Word.