I rewatched some Mayweather/Marquez highlights...

Some people think or expects that JMM was like PAC in the sense that JMM could carry the extra weight and maintain is power and speed!

Prior to fight, the #1 JMM did not give a chance for JMM for fight PBF coz JMM is way above his comfort weight. If the fight was done at 140lbs I'll give jmm a chance to beat PBF. It maybe a small chance but it's not impossible to think!

135 to 147 lbs! and give FULL CREDIT TO PBF! Not to mention the professionalism of PBF not to make the agreed weight of 145lbs!

Congrats to PBF and his FANS! Go ahead and FOOL yourselves and pretend that you defeated the BEST VERSION OF JMM

 

It's a fact and already proven that almost every top notch fighters that Pac fought had their gameplan changed when they were already in the ring with Manny. Opponent's power or skill were usuallly negated upon tasting the barrage stinging blows of Pacquiao. I doubt if Floyd won't employ any gameplan B or even C on fight night once he taste the power and speed of Manny.

 

floyd looks great when the fighter in front of him is stagnant, doesnt throw enough or have the speed. that fight was just a publicity stunt. the best way o analyse the fight with pac are the ones with hatton, judah and castillo. pac has the southpaw stance and speed of judah, but he pressures fighters incredibley.

you have to fight floyd to beat him, its impossible to out box him. pac has the speed, power, southpaw stance and unconventional style to get him out of his compfort zone. i think floyd being on the defensive on pac will lead him to defeat, he needs to fight pac. judges are most likey going to award pac rounds for his workrate.

 

What the hell are you talking about??

DLH, Hatton, Cottto.....all believed they were physically stronger than Pacquiao and could deal with him fighting head on.........
.....that in hindsight was a mistake.

......We all know that Mayweather's gameplan will revolve around nothing to do with outmuscling or dealing with Pacquiao head on.
.....hell, Mayweather did'nt even deal with JMM (a lightweight) head on.

The gameplan for Mayweather will be strictly to box, everyone with a boxing brain knows it.
Can Manny Pacquiao deal with an elite with the dicipline to stick to the gameplan and box.
....we've already seen he could'nt outbox JMM who was diciplined enough to keep moving to his left, as should be done against Pacquiao.

Mayweather will not trade, so we know he has more than enough dicipline to refrain from taking it to Pac straight on.

 

I don't pretend ****. I watched the fight to see if Mayweather still had it off a two year layoff and he does. Could care less if that was the 'best' version of Juan Manuel Marquez. Why? Because Mayweather would have sparked the best version of JMM anyway.

 

Pacquiao ain't little anymore :deal
Did he look smaller than Cotto to you? I thought he looked like a beast. Carries weight and muscle much better than JMM.

 

I dont take nothing away from Floyd in that fight! But the weight really was a factor for JMM

 

No **** people point to the Zab fight as if it means something. PBF knew Zab was a front runner and fought accordingly. Zab won no more than 3 rounds in that fight and was systematically broken down over the course of the fight. His connect % was **** and PBF landed almost half of his punches agaisnt a guy that was suppose to be kicking his ass.:-(

Not only that Zab is actually a harder matchup stylistically for PBF than Pac is. Zab has longer arms has a better jab, throws a faster one shot with more power and is counter-puncher. If you watch the first few rounds Zab didn't just come right at PBF he picked his shots showed a jab and it was Zab's fast hands and his ability to counter that frustrated PBF early. Educated pressure bothers PBF not blind all out aggression like Pac does.:deal

 

Id like to think the same thing but styles make fights.

 

To Zabs defense, I actually think that he is one of the best in the world, that is if all fights were 4 rounds. Just because Zab landed so cleanly on floyd doesnt mean that pacquiao will. Lets not forget that Zab was making cotto look real bad also in the first 4 rounds. Zab is a spectacular fighter who just lacks focus for 12 rds. Zab could very well be in floyds shoes if he could fight 12 full rounds. I think alot of ppl just really underrate zabs skills.

 

I think that is the big question for both....Can Floyd be elusive enough to keep PAC off of him and stick to boxing right in the center of the ring and can PAC deal with Floyd's advanced boxing skills.

Very few could outbox JMM...he's a tremendous boxer but PAC was able to pull JMM out of his comfort zone and get him to trade. JMM was easier to pull into a fight so PAC will have to FORCE Floyd into a fight! Which I think he'll be able to do.....just not long enough to win the majority of rounds. But in those moments we'll see Floyd be forced to fight, and in those moments PAC will win his rounds. I just don't think PAC can force the issue enough to get him a decision. He'll have to catch floyd and end it or knock him down to have any chance at a win.

It's possible but I'm leaning towards floyd in a very close competitive fight.

 

Its easy to forget just how skilled Floyd is. Tha highlight reel there remainds you that even if he is right in front of an opponent, that doesn't mean he is getting hit flush. People make a lot out of JMM's lack of size, but when have you ever seen Marquez not be able to hit a guy who was right in front him. NEVER. He sure as hell tagged pac whenever he stood in front of him. I do remember that.

 

:happy Church!

 

The highlighted is where I vehemently disagree with you.......

Imo, what Pacquiao was doing never forced JMM to trade.....
JMM was never forced into anything.....its in his blood to counter at every opportunity.......and the only time that he found himself in real trouble in that Pac rematch was the only time in the fight where Marquez actually planted his feet and traded with Pacquiao for a prolonged stretch.......Marquez was having his way with Pacquiao through that whole 3rd round....actually he was teeing off at will on Pacquiao that he decided it was too easy and was going to go for it to do real damage.
Thats always a mistake that early in a fight against Pacquiao.......
......but as you saw, Marquez was reprimanded by Nacho in the corner for having the audacity to stray from the plan and stand to trade in front of Pacquiao......
What ensued was Marquez back to the gameplan in round 4, and picking right off where he had left off before the knockdown for the remainder of the fight.

Its just in Marquez' blood to get into exchanges.....thats really not so bad against Pacquiao, as long as you are concious not to stick around for more than a series of punches and start feeling to comfortable because you're finding it so easy to land.
Marquez had to be reminded of that by Nacho, but he listened and he followed through with the plan.

Mayweather does'nt have to be reminded of anything......its not in his nature to stand and trade even against fighters that cant make a dent on him!

 

You're right! JMM is a counter puncher and it's 2nd nature to him. JMM has always been more of a boxer who had very good power. I do feel that the constant pressure that PAC applied forced JMM to fight at a rate and at an intensity that he had to adjust to...not b/c of his own will but b/c if he didn't PAC would completely control the fight.

Now with JMM superior boxing skills he was able to off set PAC's rythm which made the fight incredibly close on both accounts. You and I disagree. I see PAC winning both cleary, but in close competitive matches each time. Had JMM gotten the nod I would be thinking that it was a bad decision but in no way a robbery.

With Floyd he will be harder to get him to open up like JMM would, but IMO PAC won't give Floyd a choice.....and unlike JMM....Floyd isn't use to those kinds of heated exchanges b/c he really never allows himself to get in to those kinds of risky situation. So JMM reacted in a way that saw him regain his composure and get back to the game Plan. I think we'll see Floyd in those positions less, but struggling more against PAC.