I rewatched some Mayweather/Marquez highlights...

Next time you watch any of those JMM-Pacquiao fights, pay particular attention to the pace of the fight.......its actually the pace that Marquez wanted to fight......
......look at when Pac wants to rest, you can see that Marquez wont let him, he'll march toward Pacquiao when Pacquiao does'nt want to attack......
.....at the final round, its JMM who's got more in him to take the round.

No doubt about it from my point of view, when Pacquiao was'nt attacking, it was Marquez who came to Pacquiao and put him in a position to have to respond by attacking.
.....its called ring generalship my friend, you dont want to attack, let me go at you and lay this string right in front of you so that I can pull it back and make you follow.
It was beautiful the way Marquez controlled the pace and action that way!
Thats the definition of "Ring Generalship."yep

 

I think the fight was controled by JMM......but the pace was set by PAC's agreession. JMM had to continue to work at a higher level than he is use to. PAC's energy was never low....he just worked his game plan and pressed the action and landed the more devastating shots. JMM did well.....he just didn't do enough to win in my opinion.

I do agree that the ring generalship was for the most part controlled by JMM but PAC was more than successful in over shawdowing the way JMM used the ring in both fights by applying the kind of pressure that forced JMM into difficult situation where he'd end up loosing the most important exchanges. But as well schooled and as a very instincual and pue boxer that JMM is, PAC's natrual abilities, talents and dynamics overshadowed JMM pure boxing ability.

 

Never did I say JMM is flat footed or slow. I said, JMM is slow and flat footed compared to Pac.

Also, I made an example with PBF/Judah, not as to say Pac fights the same style as Judah but how Judah found some openings to land those blows and that Pac could study and learn from it.

 

If the pace was set by Pac, its because JMM purposely allowed it........otherwise, why would JMM walk right too Pacquiao probing to throw punches?
I'll tell you why, its because he wanted Pacquiao to keep doing and fighting at exactly the pace he had been fighting.

.....when Pacquiao wanted rest time, Marquez would probe with jab to the head and body, as if to signal Pacquiao, "C'mon, keep at it, cause I can do this all day."

Marquez allowed the pace because he was more than comfortable with it......and he controlled and generaled the ring because he had Pacquiao consistently eating leather as he made Pacquiao follow as Marquez lead him to any part of the ring he so pleased.

Of course I'm not saying that doing so was easy for Marquez......anytime you have that kind of power and ferocity coming at you, you have to be so mentally awake and mentally focused at every second.

 

If JMM is so slow and flatfooted in comparison to Pac, why then was it Marquez who was repeatedly landing the combinations and Pac only landing in one's and two's, and outstretching at Marquez to even land that???

If Pacquiao were so fast of foot in comparison, you would think that Pacquiao would cut off the ring and not let Marquez escape his ire.

 

Oh man can you believe this guy?

 

Marquez is an idiot. He greatest strength is his counterpunching and he chooses to fight the another counterpuncher who is faster, stronger and much bigger.

Marquez needed to make Mayweather the aggressor somehow. I know this is a near impossible task but it's the only way he would have had a chance of winning.

 

If JMM allowed it then that was his own undoing and reason he lost the fight......b/c if JMM really wanted the pace to be as fast as it was then he wouldn't have lost the fights.

JMM changes his gameplan during the fight and so did PAC. When PAC was agressive which was most of the time, JMM would mount his own attack which was semi successful. He'd also lay back and let PAC come to him and counter punch. PAC was successful being the aggressor where JMM was like a matador who was getting gored from the bull from time to time......take more damage than what he gave.

I didn't see JMM with anything saying to PAC he could keep that up all day. He looked the worse for wear and tired by the end of the fights....both fights. JMM always uses the Jab and he used the jab to keep PAC off set and at a distance where he could counter if PAC lunged in.....the problme was PAC is so unorthodox and hard to predict with his spuratic offense he as eating a lot of leather.

JMM is an intelligent fighter.....and he was moreso in both fights, but PAC has so many more natrual gifts that overshadowed the intelligence and skill JMM brought. Of course the fights were not easy but from what I witnessed PAC was able to win close competitive bouts with one of the best fighters of our generation at his best weight.

 

How is he an idiot?

In the absence of Pacquiao not wanting another fight with him......the Mayweather fight was the only fight where Marquez could make the type of money that he did......from what I hear since the PPV did so well.....well in excess of 3.5 million.
....previous to that his biggest payday had been 1.5 million for the Pacquiao rematch if even that.

Once Pacquiao did'nt want the fight, Marquez did'nt down the ante, he upped it and challenged himself to a task much more complicated and much bigger than a Pacquiao fight.

To Marquez' own admission, he would have had to not only fight a perfect fight, but with some help on Mayweather's side to not fight so safely.

One of Marquez quotes after was that, "I tried everything to bait him out of his defensive shell, but he just would'nt bite."

Lets not forget here....Marquez is a 36 year old lightweight who could still probably make 130 lbs......when if ever has a 36 year old lightweight ever been within sniffing distance of being prime???

Marquez is in his last year or two as a fighter......he's in it now to secure his financial future.
Only big money fights for him as long as he can help it, which is why talks of a JMM-Hatton fights in England is what may be next in Marquez' plate.
Its his biggest money fight, and that includes a Pacquiao fight.

For Marquez, a Hatton fight nets him more money than a Pacquiao fight!

 

Even when Mayweahter decided to be the aggressor, Marquez was still getting beat up. It's hard to counter a guy with the vision and defensive mentality of Floyd. He sees almost everthying coming. Even when he's on the offensive, he's still thinking about defense. JMM had no shot in this fight, none. For Marquez, it was a payday and a chance to maybe get lucky. For Mayweather, it was a payday, and chance to knock off some rust and elminate a future option for Pac.

 

Marquez looked more tired?
......its why the Pacquiao nuthugging HBO team were unanimous in giving the 12th and final round to Marquez!:rofl:rofl

We'd be going around in circles talking about something thats already been discussed to nauseum.

....but I will say to your point about JMM changing gameplans during a fight.....he never did that.
The gameplan was to lay a string out, pull it, and make Pacquiao follow it thoughout the fight.
JMM deviated from it in the 3rd round and payed for it by being knocked down, 10-8 Pacquiao...fight not over, got to keep scoring the coming rounds, the fight does not end there.
Back to the game plan for the rest of the fight without deviating and stopping to trade for long stretches......
What does it a equate too???? A boxing lesson.

Boxing 101, a schooling.....

Class dismissed!













Now if the dean of the school is your uncle and his name is Bob, and he can change your grade for you, there's nothing Proffesor Marquez can do about that!yep

 

BOTTOM LINE..

*JMM wanted recognition and and possibly the honor for giving pbf his first "L"

*Obviously JMM was not able to carry his weight and skills to the higher weight category
(the version of JMM fighting PBF is not the BEST version JMM can offer)

*None the less, JMM has a heart of a great warrior for taking a shot a PBF

* JMM does not defy logic. PAC does!

*IMO, Best version of JMM was when he was fighting PAC

*The two fights with PAC was close thus it gave JMM recogniton,

* Next time PAC vs JMM happens at 140 and ABOVE.
I'm willing to bet on any kind of BET! PAC will KO JMM for good this time!

 

Eating the kind of shots that JMM ate, and if you've even been knocked down, buzzed or hurt in the ring you know how much stamina it takes out of you so JMM being tired was understandable. I gave JMM the 12th as well, but JMM was down and needed to finish strong. There is no denying he's a great boxer and has the heart of a champion. He finished strong but he lost the fights.

JMM had to swtich up game plans and adapt to PAC in both fights....especially after getting floored...in both fights. He did a good job....JMM is one of the fighters who know how to change game plans and adapt during the course of a fight. And the only reason why he did as good as he did with PAC is b/c of this.

JMM is always the counter puncher....it's his style by nature so of course he was going to lay a string and lay back, let PAC come to him....but PAC more than came to him...he force the fight down his throat.

I'm not sure if you know what a boxing lesson is or the term "Schooled"....b/c JMM had a hard time with the subject of Manny 2 times.....to the point of almost immediate failure. Now JMM did well....just not good enough to beat his nemisis.

A schooling is what JMM got at the hands of Floyd.....A good ol fashsion ass whoopin where both men got their fair share lumps was what we witnessed in the 2 fights between PAC and JMM where JMM was definitley the worse for wear.

I'm not sure who the dean was for the first JMM/PAC fight but who ever the dean was must have been a big fan of JMM for the gift they gave him in form of a draw......fortunately they got the right decision in the rematch.