I see Roy Jones hanging past his prime is hurtin his legacy more than Ali hurt his.

Fair point, but if they were interested in finding out more info on him, they'd certainly have changed their opinion when seeing him at his peak, and watching all of his great fights.

People watching Roy fight now, have to realise that he's 44, and he's had 64 fights.

An educated person would put these things into context.

 

They're uneducated idiots that need putting in their place.

 

Fights with Ottke and Calzaghe were never viable. They fought in Europe in a weight class below Roy.

Everyone wanted to see Roy fight Dariusz, but he never agreed terms to go to the U.S.

 

The main difference is that we learned that Ali had an iron jaw because he fought past his prime, whereas we learned that Jones had a glass jaw because he fought past his prime. Entirely different facts were uncovered and so the revaluations of their earlier careers was different.

 

MMJoe,

Great quote mate! I love it!

 

Roy should have retired 9 years ago.

 

We've discussed DM, Calzaghe and Hopkins.

But who in their right mind, would question why Roy never fought Sven Ottke?

Jirov was a cruiserweight, that was just an option to him in 99-2000 when he considered moving up in weight.


How does losing to Calzaghe, four years after he was knocked cold by Johnson, hurt Roy's legacy in any way?

He was 9 weeks away from his 40th birthday, and Joe on two occasions, had said that a fight with Roy would be pointless.

Roy was knocked out twice in 2004 at 35 years of age.

Losing over 4 years later to someone on points means nothing.


The loss to Hopkins also means nothing.

That was 16-17 months AFTER the loss to Joe.

Going into the fight, Hopkins said that the only guy to truly beat him clean in his career at elite level, was Roy.

At the time, Roy was only 24, and had a badly injured right hand.

As discussed, a rematch couldn't be made due to Hop's demands.

I don't see how losing the rematch way past his best at 41, can hurt his legacy.


It's the same with guys like Lebedev.

According to many people, Lebedev was robbed against Huck, and is one of the best, if not THE best Cruiser in the world.

Roy had been inactive, he'd had a knee injury that prevented him from running, and he came to the ring heavy and at 42 years of age.

It was a competitive fight, and it took Lebedev 10 rounds to get him out of there.

If he had that much trouble with a 42 year old, heavy, inactive version of Roy, then what would have happened if he'd have fought the Ruiz version of Roy?


I don't see how any of these recent losses affect his legacy.

 

Also if Lebedev KO'd Roy 2 seconds later, Roy would have went the distance.
One judge had Roy ahead.

 

He has fought on too long and unfortunately it's not only his legacy that is being affected.

 

That's right.

A peak version of Roy, anywhere between 175-190 would have toyed with him.

Anybody that knows anything about boxing knows this.

 

This. **** his legacy. I hope he makes it out with his health intact.

 

Ali was never knocked unconscious and didn't duck anyone like Jones did.

There is no comparison between the two. Ali was a guy who would fight anyone and proved it. Jones liked to talk about fighting people then would price himself out or make ridiculous demands etc.