I shook the hand that shook the hand of John L. Sullivan!

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  1. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. janitor

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    Bob Fitzsimmons?
     
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  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    It could have just have easily been the sailor who unlocked the cabin that Sulivan was locked into for working himself on a ship, or any number of people who unlocked him from whatever had been restraining John L after he had became a nuisance when he was drinking. It could have been the man who picked him up from the railroad after he fell from a train blind drunk.

    john L really could party.
     
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  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Jim Corbett?

    I know it was a rather common saying among irish-americans.
     
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  5. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Shake the hand that shook the hand of John L. Sullivan. That was the first guy that shook his hand! Any other guesses?
     
  6. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I shook Larry Holmes hand back in the 90's sometime. I know I shook the hand that punch the person who punch the person all the way down to Sullivan lol. But base on Holmes, has he shook hands that lead to the great John L?
     
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    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wonder if the link was broken early on.
    Did Sullivan, or those that followed, actually “shake” Jack Johnson’s hand, given their prejudices?
    Johnson fought 2 of them, but did they shake his hand, difference, there, in customary, touching gloves.
     
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  8. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Has anyone licked the man who licked John L. Sullivan? :eek:
     
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  9. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    If it`s about, who invented an idiomatic expression, then I got nothing (I`m not a native English speaker)

    If it`s about a famous person, who could say it, then my personal attempt:
    I (Muhammad Ali) shook the hand (of Nat Fleischer) that shook the hand of John L. Sullivan!
     
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    I think it is a way of explaining the lineal belt in a colorful fashion- And also a cheery song.
     
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  12. Mike Cannon

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    This might be stating the obvious ( maybe ) but isn't it that it was anybody that shook the champs hand , then shook that persons hand ?
     
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  13. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    Some one said it pre covid pandemic, as "i elbow bumped, the elbow that elbow bump bumped John L Sullivan, whilst wearing a mask and sanitising my hands afterwards" doesn't quite have the same ring to it.

    Always was led to believe the phrase originated in a vaudeville song lyric of the era.
     
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  14. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This friendly expression was the first popular greeting in the good old days of its kind. It will live forever in the annals of boxing history. Extending your hand out today for John L. Sullivan is appropriate and a tribute to his memory. I guess we have to wait until things return to normal. Elbow to elbow doesn't ring well.
     
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  15. janitor

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    You could almost certainly link Holmes to Sullivan somehow.

    There is a photograph of Sullivan shaking hands with Jack Johnson, so that shortens the distance to you a bit!