I still can't get over the Loma Haney robbery and I never will

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  1. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    And its not the affectionate term shawty lol
     
  2. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just off the top of my head, round 9 was a Haney round. Like I said, it was a close fight. You can’t find 7 indisputable rounds for Loma.
     
  3. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Your wrong shorty
     
  4. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Not a post I'd describe as level headed at all tbh.

    I don't have the same emotional attachment to this result as you do. I never once said I didn't accept that people scored the fight for Lomachenko, in fact I said the exact opposite.

    Cited them as a very prominent subset. Based on what? Based on you being lazy and generalising.

    I already tried end this conversation once, as I said it's going nowhere.

    You do you.
     
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  5. lufcrazy

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    Loma: 1,3,5,7,9,10,11
    Haney: 2,4,6,8,12

    But apart from the last two rounds every other round could have gone the other way. Insanely close fight.
     
  6. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Vasiliy Lomachenko vs Devin Haney

    1 Loma
    2 Haney
    3 Loma
    4 Haney
    5 Loma
    6 Haney
    7 Loma
    8 Loma
    9 Haney
    10 Loma
    11 Loma
    12 Haney

    115-113 Lomachenko

    I think Haney has a case for earning a draw but i can't see 7 rounds for Haney let alone 8 like one of the judges scored it.
     
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  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’re*. If you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, at least know the difference between your and you’re :risas3:.

    You couldn’t find 7 indisputable rounds for me.
     
  8. hoopsman

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    Conversations typically don't go anywhere when you 1) level baseless claims

    You repeatedly charged me with "lazy generalizations" yet when I provided an example of the very kind of poster I was referring to, you responded with....repeating the "lazy generalisation" bullsh*t.

    Now who's being lazy, my guy??

    And 2) You're conversing with someone who refuses to accept reality. Like I said, if you want to be willfully blind to fan base biases, you do you.

    But don't expect me to live in your Kumbaya fantasy world.

    I based my "Floyd TBE" subset on this amazing new scientific discovery called.......observing and reading.

    Are you a "Floyd TBE" moron? If not, why are you so bothered by my calling them out?

    What's it to you??

    Anyway, you initiated the conversation, my guy. When I answered, you responded by saying I had engaged in "lazy generalization." Don't get bent out of shape now because you didn't like the response.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Round 1 Lomachenko 10-9

    Pretty clear Loma round, almost everything Haney threw he fell short with, nothing connected clean, including his jabs. Lomachenko however, while he landed nothing truly demonstrative, the jabs and combinations that he got off with, landed clean enough for him to take the round.

    Round 2 Lomachenko 10-9

    Again, much of what Haney is throwing, he's falling short with, the vast majority of the body shots, aside from two of them, Loma bounced just out of range for, while almost all of the left hooks, jas and rights were either caught on the forearm, blocked or parried by Loma. Whereas Loma's handful of hard clean lefts to the head and jab landed clean.

    Round 3 Lomachenko 10-9

    Very clear Loma round, he applied relentless pressure throughout, always just out of range for the sweeping hooks to the body that Haney missed with constantly, Haney again landing very few jabs or rights clean, most blocked and parried. Lomachenko landed several body shots far cleaner, and his straight hard lefts up top easily won him the round.

    Round 4 Haney 10-9, close

    Far closer than people seem to realize, while Haney edged it with body shots and jabs, more clean got through than in any other round, Loma was right with him almost every step of the way, evading most of what Haney was throwing and Loma managed to land a very heavy power jab, a few lefts and a few counters up top, when Haney got over aggressive. Still, much of what Haney is attempting to land, simply isn't finding its mark.

    Round 5 Lomachenko 10-9, close

    Haney starts the round off pretty well, landing a hook upstairs and a few body shots. Still Loma doing an effective job negating much of what is coming his way, a lot more grappling and holding from Haney. Then Loma comes roaring back, nailing him with several power jabs and combinations up top, as well as sneaky combos to the body. Neither man landed much clean in the last minute.

    Round 6 Haney 10-9, close

    3 effective body shots early from Haney, Loma fires back with a heavy straight left up top, they tie up, Haney attempts to land a few more to the body, Loma too evasive, Loma lands a series of compact one twos up the middle, prompting Haney again to hold, then attempts a few rabbit punches while it hold. Two good jabs from Haney, Loma then flies his head with a vicious left, followed by a combo. Haney with a few more jabs, then a few missed shots from both. Very close round.

    Round 7 Lomachenko 10-9

    Pretty clear Loma round, with almost everything Haney threw either being blocked, a rabbit punch, to the shoulders or to the back. Aside from a counter hook up top, from Haney, it was all Loma. Who landed the far heavier blows, with sharp one twos to the head of Haney and a few very hard eye catching straight lefts. Haney gets a few body shots in late.

    Round 8 Lomachenko 10-9

    Neither man all that effective in the 8th, both negated the others work pretty consistently, Haney landed a handful of body shots, but most of them fell short, whereas Loma's handful of head shots, one a nasty power jab, were the far more eye catching. Also Loma's jabs and counter right hooks found their mark far more than Haney's. But overall, the first half was clear for Loma, second half, near even. Therefore Loma round.

    Round 9 Lomachenko 10-9

    Another largely ineffective round for Haney, a few weak glancing body shots got through, Loma, while low output, still managed to land the cleaner shots to the head, a few hard jabs, counter hooks early, with a few lefts, a flurry and one twos later. Haney's shots are mostly bouncing off of shoulders or being blocked.

    Round 10 Lomachenko 10-9

    All things considered, a fairly quiet round, with neither man doing a hell of a lot throughout the vast majority of it, but Loma managed to stun him with a nasty one two, and then teed off for a spell, then darting in with quick straight lefts, which was more than enough to win him the round.

    Round 11 Lomachenko 10-9

    Dominant 11th, Haney barely landed a thing, Loma had him hurt adn on jelly legs after he landed some savage lunging right hooks and several combinations, most one sided round of the fight.

    Round 12 Haney 10-9, close

    All in all, a fairly close round, while Loma didn't press enough early, when he did, he managed to land several sneaky lefts up top, firing back a shot every time Haney landed to the body, but Haney was just a little bit more active, and accurate, so that edged the round in his direction, but only barely.

    117-111 Lomachenko

    116-112, 115-113 are fine as well.

    1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 10, 11 were all pretty easy to score rounds, and Loma won them all fairly handily. The rest are close and could go either way.

    So while I consider 6 rounds very generous, in no possible way can you find more than 6 rounds to give to Haney, it's simply unfeasible. So if you did, you're disgustingly biased and unreasonable. That also means that anything wider than 6 rounds is a robbery. Of course people can argue, but it's close, it could go either way, therefore... not a robbery. But when finding 7 rounds to give to the fighter who won, is an impossibility, it doesn't matter how close it is. That still very much qualifies as a gift decision and an indication of corruption. Just because a match is close, that doesn't immediately invalidate talk of a robbery. The term, close but clear exists for a reason. So if 6 rounds are clearly won by one fighter, while 5 of the other 6 are razor close, for someone to find not only 7, but 8 to give to the guy who did not win 6, that qualifies as a blatant and egregious robbery.
     
  10. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Me: Let me pick on the low hanging fruit and challenge 2 idiots (CJ and midcuck) to find 7 indisputable rounds for Loma.

    CST: Ok, hold my beer.

    Damnit CST let me spread my anti Loma agenda in peace.. nah all jokes aside, Loma should have won. But I’m not still crying about it, just like @MidniteProwler isn’t still crying about Ngannou getting robbed. That was a bigger embarrassment to the sport.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    You do you.
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    You gave round 8 to Haney on the night, mate.
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    That was from the day after rewatch. Regardless, I scored it 117-111 both times.
     
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  15. Puroresu_Fan

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    Was no robbery. The way loma fans go on, you would think it was 12-0 shut out.

    Loma lost and it's time to move on.
     
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