I still do not see it with Teo Lopez

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Eh... I do.

    Has a good gauge of distance, showed good IQ by staying composed and sticking to his gameplan, I thought his footwork was fine... in fact his pivoting and footwork sometimes helped neutralize Loma trying to get angles on him.

    Thats all aside from his athleticism and explosiveness. And... hes 23.

    Yes his defense and stamina need improvement though.
     
  2. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Denial tends to blind people. Loma lost, Lopez did it. Now do you see?
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    he will get beat by a top level fighter with high output and a solid chin, or a banger with a fast trigger. luckily, those dont grow on trees, so it could be a while. hes too far along to teach him to fight with a high guard and remain comfortable, so he will always be vulnerable against a faster guy who can crack. he doesnt really have inside fighting technique other than let his fists fly with power when pressured, which will be enough for most because of his power, but not all. his natural physical ability is enough to trouble all except la creme. at 140, ramirez style would be the most problematic for him, but ramirez will be more open to his shotgun straights than the others. but the others dont push the type of pace that would tax teo enough to expose holes. so 140 should be really interesting for him. he gets wrecked at 147, today, tomorrow, and in 5 years.
     
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  4. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Im a fan and think hes going to have a great career but i cant disagree with anything you really are saying. He has holes but what 23 year old doesnt? Look at Canelo when he was 23, a shell of himself compared to what he is now. I believe he`ll get better and be a major player at WW someday.
     
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  5. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with your analysis , especially how Lopez was getting hit later by Loma. It seemed all Lomachenko had to do was throw punches and Teo was there to be hit and he didn't respond that well to what I thought was basically arm punches with little leverage. Add to that Lopez seemed to be gassing out in a fight where little action was coming back at him. Now don't get me wrong, Lopez has power , some quickness and of course he boxed well early, but as I said it's easy to look good when nobody's throwing anything at you. I believe the #1 surprise in this fight was Loma's lack of punching and passive start. I mean geez! 321 punches thrown in a 12 round fight at lightweight!!!!!
     
  6. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hes 23 years old and just beat many peoples P4P #1(albiet naturally smaller).

    Hes destroyed the #3 guy in the division last year in 2 rounds.

    Even his win over Tatli was under-rated as Tatli was broderline top 10 in the division when he did won every second of the fight before stopping him.

    Destroting Magdaleno as a green ki was also impressive.

    Thy guys given me no reason to doubt him so far.
     
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  7. The Underdog

    The Underdog Member banned Full Member

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    Obviously Lopez isn’t the finished article, he’s 23 with 16 fights and just did 12 rounds for the first time. The fact he’s pre-prime and just beat an elite fighter convincingly shows you how high his ceiling his.
     
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  8. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    So you've been using a troll username waiting for him to take a loss to call him a ******?
     
  9. Pakkuman

    Pakkuman I'm not hot. I'm just BIG. banned Full Member

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    You acknowledged that Lopez gassed and was hurt by arm punches from a much smaller guy not known for power, yet you pick him to KO Pac.

    :lol:

    42 year old Pac has faster hands than both Loma and Lopez and he packs much more devastating power than Loma that's hurt/dropped guys 160+.

    :deal:
     
  10. deadACE

    deadACE Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He did do some thing good in that fight. When Loma does his step around, he stepped with him. Loma had a lot of success with that in previous fights.

    Lopez also used the counter right hand uppercut whenever Loma was in close. Loma has a tight high guard at all distances which is hard to penetrate with hooks in close but it cant block every shot. The uppercut was working really well, even in the rounds Loma won it stopped him from doing too much damage.

    I dont think Lopez is in his peak or at his prime.
     
  11. lobk

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    Will be interesting to see if he carries the power up to 140 and eventually 147. Him being able to make 135 with his frame has a lot to do with His punching power at 135.

    What happens when he throws his best and the guy in front eats it and keeps coming? Can he adopt his game plan?
     
  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I've always seen the talent. In fact, if you check my post history you'll see I was actually a fan of his and was singing his praises when he first burst onto the scene but we saw what happened when he was in against someone who could match him for size and had a significant physical advantages on him when he fought that Japanese fisherman Nakatani who nobody outside of Osaka had ever heard of before going into the fight. He literally went life and death against him, looked worried and even positively intimidated at times, and after the fight he uttered the infamous ''No more tall fighters anymore'' line during his post-fight interview. Loma has spent much of his career facing fighters who have significant amounts of weight, reach, or height or all three on him and you would never hear such a thing come out of his mouth.

    Manny is the only other fighter in the P4P top 10 who is routinely giving away these kinds of huge physical advantages to his opponents and you wouldn't ever something like that from him either. They're the complete antithesis of weight bullies.

    Loma making weight whilst not skipping any meals and literally looking exactly the same on the scales as he does in the ring

    Lopez after having starved himself all week looking like a sunken-eyed cadaver

    ''Skinny Fimo right now, but then you get the monster tomorrow''

    ''By tomorrow I'm gonna look like a different man.. a whole new man''

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    But as weight bullies move up and have to face opponents who are as big at their weight as you were at your former one and hit very hard for that weight class and can hold a bigger shot it's a different ballgame.

    Nigel Benn was a murderous puncher with a capital M down at 160 but he wasn't anywhere near as destructive a force when he moved up to 168 and he admitted that his opponents could take his power better up there. Still a very hard puncher for sure but he wasn't the ''monster'' he'd been down at 168.

    Jermallo who was huge weight bully at 154 and a destructive force down there has been taken the distance in 3 of his last 4, and the guy he stopped in the other one (Hogan) is a leprechaun 154 pounder. Again, he is still a hard puncher up at 160 for sure but the monster we saw down at 154 isn't quite as monsterish up at 160 where his natural size advantage isn't so much.

    It'll probably the same with Benavidez and Callum Smith when they move up to 175

    I'm sure Lopez will still be a power puncher up at 140, and to be fair he did ice the huge Commey at 135, and will do well because he's very talented and skilled, but what happens when it's his opponents who are the skinny sunken-eyed cadavers on weigh in day, when he looks much more healthy, and it's them not him who are the savage punching monsters with the weight, reach and power advantage the following day and the shots coming back at him are much harder?
     
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  13. miniq

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    You can't call Lopez a weight bully.

    He was probably 147 on fight night at best... That's under 15 pounds rehydration. Fairly standard.

    Broner when he fought at 130 was a weight bully. Gaining 20 pounds and fighting small men of the division. Still got whooped by Ponce De Leon.
     
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  14. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree 100%. Teo is good but he is a weight bully. As he moves up and he doesnt have size advantage he looks average
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that people seem to think that Loma just went 7 rds not understanding he actually needed to throw punches. Often the same people who have Loma as one of the best ever apparently think that Loma hasn't understood that you need to throw punches in boxing. Has anyone ever said of Michael Jordan that he just didn't understand that he needed to throw the ball in the direction of the basket? That Woods didn't understand that he needed to put the ball in the hole?

    Can it really escape anyone that Lopez was the reason that Loma hardly had any offense during the first half of the fight?
     
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