I think Berto's fine

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Aug 5, 2015.


  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    :good

    Floyd and Pacquiao need to retire if they are going to be holding belts, divisions, and fighters hostage.

    Unless they plan on fighting the #1 contenders or other champions, or taking challenges to prove their greatness, I am finished paying to watch Top fighters fight anything less than an A level opponent.
     
  2. Brixton Bomber

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    But this is the fight that will level him with Marciano. You know, the, uh, record that IS the gold standard. It's not like it's his 20th fight. It's a monumental milestone that we won't see for a long time.

    Besides, to fight Manny and then BERTO, and for it to be for the record that equals the rocks? Nah, that doesn't fly.
     
  3. Brixton Bomber

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    So 49-0 isn't important?
     
  4. IsaL

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    Not really. That is easily achievable with the right cherry picking.
     
  5. kirk

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    The thing to me is, seems like many fans want to give Mayweather a freebie in compensation for fighting a hard fight

    Guys, he is getting paid FORTUNES to take those kind of fights. Him fighting Pac made him the *highest paid athlete in the world*, that was his compensation. Theres no 'well, thank you so much for taking a hard fight, now take a freebie for yourself, you've earned it!'

    I really don't get where that mentality comes from. Yes, he fought a great opponent last time out, as hes getting paid fortunes to do.


    That being said, its not like a more respectable opponent would even be all that more dangerous to Floyd, that's the thing. He would probably win comfortably against almost everyone 147 and below.... a few would make it rough for him due to styles maybe, but really... he wouldn't have that hard a time with anyone at welter or below, which makes this opponent selection even more bizarre. Its not like in 2008 where there was prime Cotto, Pac, Marg, Williams, ect....


    Something about this fight seems to me theres something to it behind the scenes... maybe Haymon doesn't want to knock the stock of one of his main guys just yet (Thurman, Garcia, Porter) in a lopsided type loss to Floyd.... maybe Haymon is wanting to do Berto a favor by hooking him up with a payday and some spotlight (as Im sure Berto will be on future PBC cards and it will raise his stock having fought Floyd)

    If theres not some sort of behind the scenes motive for fighting Berto this fight just makes 0 sense.... theres other bigger fights that would be marginally harder than Berto, and Floyd has almost never been one to take a truly undeserving opponent like this.



    Anyways, like I said, I just don't understand where this mentality that these multi millionaires need a freebie after they actually fight a top guy, comes from. Like fighters are doing us a favor by fighting who they should be fighting
     
  6. Pimp C

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    So JLC 2x Hernandez Chico Zab Oscar Hatton #48 Cotto Canelo Mosley and JMM are all cherrypicks? You're just an irrational hater like your idol Oscar.:deal It's not cherry picking those are ATGs and HOF fighters right there. PBF was too good, most of them had career worst performances when they faced him he made it look easy.
     
  7. IsaL

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    I don't follow Mayweather closely, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he a current 2 time Jr.MW champ as well? Why is he restricted to fighting at Welter or below considering he has held the 154 belt twice?

    I think there a few fighters he is avoiding.
     
  8. kirk

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    Mayweather doesn't get the credit he probably deserves for a lot of those fights, but theres no getting around that for whatever the reason, most of those names on the list weren't beaten when they were at their best, which matters a lot.

    Just imo.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

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    I agree with you. It's disappointing, but it's an acceptable soft touch given the current landscape, and the fact that Floyd just came off a career defining victory against his long time rival and fellow ATG in a bout that shattered PPV records. Hell, Floyd could have lured Andrew Hartley out to Vegas for all I'd care.

    Plus this is obviously being used as a set-up for a mega-rematch against one of the 2 Cash Cows to go for the epic #50. Assuming the Curse of Marciano doesn't bless Berto come fight night.

    :smoke
     
  10. Rumsfeld

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    It should matter a lot, but as time passes, I'm not sure it really does.

    Oscar, for example, gets credit for facing everyone and anyone, but there was usually some sort of advantageous timing, however subtle, that usually worked in his favor. People seem to forget about the timing of many of Oscar's fights, and I think the same will be said of Floyd going forward, with the 1 obvious exception that will be remembered - but I never blamed Floyd alone for that not happening when it should have. There was plenty of blame to go around coming from both camps.
     
  11. kirk

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    Mayweather is primarily a welterweight. Hes had one fight above there in the last three years, and has only gone above for million plus ppv buy type megafights. I would be irrational to hold him to fighting run of the mill contenders in a division he obviously doesn't regularly campaign at.

    If there was a clear challenger there that was worthy I guess I could understand, but hes already beaten the number one guy in that weightclass (Canelo), and quite clearly at that.


    Theres enough names at welterweight to choose from, I don't really need to bring a fairly dull jr middle division into the picture, especially when theres not really a clear challenger, imo.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Yeah Rummy.


    I mean, Kirk, there's the way things are and there's the way things ought to be.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

    Yes, in an ideal world, fighters should ONLY fight their #1 contender, regardless of what they are earning. That position is unassailable. But like many unassailable positions it's never gonna happen. A fighter with real power will take on pretty much who he wants when he wants - if that fighter elects to fight his #1 contender, he's doing more than most top contenders and champions do. Let's let that sink in for a sec. Wlad has met two #2 contenders in his entire history as a strapholder. Roman Gonzalez has met the same number in the different weights he's been at. Andre Ward has met one. Marquez has met several put people are falling all over themselves to call him "old school", Hopkins too.

    When a fighter meets his #1 contender, he can pump the breaks in his next fight as far as I am concerned. What he earns is determined by the market, it is in no way pre-ordained no matter what Mayweather says.
     
  13. Brixton Bomber

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    Course it is. Course it is.
     
  14. IsaL

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    Does he currently hold any version of the 154 belt?
     
  15. McGrain

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    Dude is lineal.