I think Berto's fine

Ay man, that's all fine and well understood, but to be honest the point to me is, and the difference is

- Understanding the reality of the world and the sport, but still speaking out against it and trying to hold up the standards

and

- Understanding the realities of the sport/world, and then saying, 'its fine... meh, its just the way it is'



I don't get where someone goes from understanding the business and reality of the sport, to supporting it and defending it. I can understand it, while still being vocally critical of it.

 

Indeed. It happens to most fighters.

 

Also, its not just about not fighting his number one challenger. Its about the extreme he went in the opposite direction. Berto has had -one- half decent win in the last three years. One. And again, that was half decent at best.

That is a very extreme soft fight in a division where his next fight would probably be soft anyways, in a time where he fights twice a year, and is getting the highest salary in sports to do what he does.

Its really indefensible to me. Just imo.

 

This would make things all the more humorous if Berto gets a blessing from the spirit of Marciano.

:smoke

 

I was as big a Mosley fan as anyone on these boards, but any ranking that had Mosley #3 P4P at that time was grossly misguided. Mosley looked sensational against Margarito a year and a half earlier, but that was the only time he had truly looked sensational since probably facing Adrian Stone, which was before 911 even happened. He looked OK against Collazo, but he had struggles in most of his other big fights during that stretch starting with Vernon.

Shane probably warranted a top 10 P4P slot, at least for a year after the Margo win, but anyone who viewed him as #3 was being generous.

 

Im not going to debate it with ya man, if you feel he fought those names when they were in their top form (the form that built them their name in the first place) then that's how you see it I guess. None of (Cotto, Pac, Hoya, Mosley) were at their best when he fought them though. Doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit for beating some really good fighters, just that went someone rattles off those names to make his resume sound super impressive to me its somewhat deceiving. Idk, but ya that happens with most fighters as time passes, like Joe Cal getting credit for beating 'Roy Jones'. ect, ect. Just the way it is I guess.

 

I think the real issue to be discussed there is that Mayweather should obviously be stripped of his titles. Ill have that talk way before I talk about how hes ducking the next vague challenger in a division he obviously doesn't actively compete at.