I Think Calzaghe And Mayweather Are Clear Examples Of How Important Stamina Is.

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  1. timgentry

    timgentry Call it like I see it. Full Member

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    Fair enough, I can go with you on that with Paul and Antonio......Those are very good examples. Thanks for redeeming your boxing knowledge. Good Stuff....:good
     
  2. konaman

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    Not at all for Mayweather, your missing the point by using him as an example. But definitely for Calzaghe, his work rate is his greatest asset.
     
  3. Thread Stealer

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    Jones has always had a reputation as a real gym rat. He used to have real strong stamina, but not really the case lately.

    Sometimes good stamina, you're just born with. Or how much you're able to relax in the ring.
     
  4. timgentry

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    I agree with you but on a scale of one to ten on both of those fighters, what do you give each guy a chance of winning ONLY because of their great stamina excluding all other aspects of boxing, chin, defense, etc.

    Remember, chin, defense, offense, can all be directly correlated to great stamina.

    Mayweather wins on stamina alone= 7

    Calzaghe wins on stamina alone= 8
     
  5. timgentry

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    I guess I used him because IMO no one trains harder cardio wise than PBF.
     
  6. Thread Stealer

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    Nobody wins on a world class level only because of their stamina. There's always other factors.

    Of course, you can take a shot better, land better, defend better, if you're in top shape.

    The same goes for reflexes. You can't land a shot if your reflexes are too slow to react to the opening. You can't slip or block a punch if your reflexes are too slow. You can't get into position to set up a blow if your reflexes are too slow. And if you get hit more, or miss more of your own shots, you're gonna get tired.

    There's too many factors in winning to narrow it down to 1.
     
  7. timgentry

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    Good Post you ****in' thread stealer. LOL - Jk. I can agree with your
    post. Narrowing down is hard. I guess a marathon runner wouldn't be the best boxer. Just trying to figure out PBF and Calzaghe's incessant success.
     
  8. Thread Stealer

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    There's lots of factors in their success.

    They're in the top 1% in the sport, obviously there's gonna be many factors in their success. Even those who look a relatively crude Antonio Margarito and say it's just his toughness that wins him fights, are off-base. At the highest level, there's going to be many factors.
     
  9. unrealda2nd

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    age plays only half the role in being shot u fool... thats most of u idiots should just stick to watching soccer.... a boxer can be shot before they even hit 30... it depends on what kind of beating ur body took... and in jones case the weight drop did it.. and after getting koed twice he was completely done... calzaghe is still fighting almost at prime level because he hasnt been in any wars till now... he fought easy competition for years so the only thing that is worn on him is his hands from slapping up all that weak competition
     
  10. unrealda2nd

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    please don't mention calzaghe's name with mayweathers... thats 2 different classes of fighers.... one guy is gonna be an all time great and the other guy just fabricated a lie... stayed in europe for years and slapped up 42 foes then beat one dimensional fighters and old legends
     
  11. JonOli

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    Seriously, Jones was shot to ****, and the fight should have never happened - age had little to do with it. I'm British by the way.
     
  12. VARG

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    how ******ed do you have to be to NOT understand the motto of :patsch

    "SPEED KILLS!"

    yea sure stamina is part of it...but if you want the key factor that parallels both of them at keeping success its how fast they both are...Calzaghe throw many fast flurries and managed to slip and slide through many haymakers but his defense, stance, and other boxing arsenal was amateur at best...

    Mayweather on the other was more of a frugal puncher, landing fast precision punches and managed to slip and slide his way to victory...the difference is that Mayweather was much more technically skilled and FAR smarter than Calzaghe is...Mayweather has a true grasp of how to change his game or adapt to a certain style

    Calzaghe on the other hand just thinks to himself...well ****...should i rush the guy the entire round? or just in spurts in and out...i dont understand where this "he's sucha smart fighter" **** comes from...he has to be the LAMEST boxer in recent history to land himself a spot in the hall of fame...but the damn guy has a heart of a lion...he has somewhat of a go-getter attitude in the ring...

    so to sum everything up...

    Calzaghe's Best Assests: Cherrypicking opponents best suited for his style, EXCELLENT WORKRATE, EXCELLECNT STAMINA, GOOD SPEED

    Mayweather's Best Assests: Cherrypicking opponents that don't pose as KO artists, EXCELLENT DEFENSE, EXCELLENT SPEED, GOOD STAMINA
     
  13. VARG

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    You can say the same about Gayweather...i mean the guy at 140+ was a lie as well...

    who do we got?

    Judah :lol: :rofl
    Baldomir :lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :patsch

    a past it DLH with a different trainer :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :rofl

    and a Hatton that had to go up in weight... :patsch

    thats ****in pathetic man...slap yourself for that...seriously...both fighters are going down as undefeated question marks...as great as Marciano was...people STILL give him **** for not fighting quality opponents...


    and im in no way a Calzaghe fan either...i dislike both fighters equally
     
  14. VARG

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    true and i agree with you on certain points...

    but on top of Roy being KO'd twice and the weight drop...age was the bigger factor for Roy...

    the success for Roy being so good as he was, was that his style revolved around his superior reflexes and those assests diminish with age...

    Calzaghe's slapping style didn't rely so much on reflexes, but as you can see he's been getting hit a lot more and KD a lot more because he isn't able to slip his way out of those punches as quick as he used to...

    Calzaghe's fighting
     
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