I think Calzaghes move with Warren can hurt him?

Don't know, but he should have left Warren years ago.

 

Correct me on this please if I'm wrong.... but I read...

Kessler V Calzaghe was the lowest American show time (what ever it was on) TV audience ever!

Hopkins V Calzaghe hardly set the world alight... they struggled to sell tickets....

Perhaps Joe thinks he can do, and does, deserve better then that...

 

If this fight happens in Wales, it will be unbealivable.

 

thats right

 

aye thats what i heard too. bigger income allround.

 

Warren held Calzaghe back for years.

 

of course he did. and calzaghe leaving him now won't change much.

 

IMO the fight should take place in wales, more money ,but i suppose roy would not agree to the fight if it was not in america .

with the fight in america it will be down to jones alone to sell the ppv .

 

jones sells the PPV anyway.

and there's more money in the US because the casinos are where the money is - not the gate.

by the way..jones did agree to fight joe in wales but it was the networks that made it happen in the states. i'm guessing you're british since you're still (after his whole career) trying to justify homeland fights.

 

there a casino at MADISON SQUARE GARDEN :huh
as far as i know there are no casino`s there but you obviously live in america so will know better than me.
i have never heard of MSG being used as a casino but i bow to your superior knowledge


sky tv or setanta demanded the fight be held in USA or are you only reffering to what you know about america.

as far as i remember jones v prince and jones v hanshaw were watched by just a few hundred thousand and jones v trinidad five hundred thousand .

calzaghe v kessler flopped
calzaghe v hopkins flopped and only 4000 americans turned up
in the uk the fight would be a guaranteed sucess

there is no such history showing it will be a sucess in the states, and what difference would it make to hbo /showtime to show the fight from the uk like hatton or calzaghe /haye fights when the uk accomadates having boxing in the middle of the night to suit your tv ?


remind me again how many times roy jones has ever fought outisde of america.
have you ever piulled him up on it ?

 

trinidasd sold fights because he was a star internationally.

kessler didnt sell internationally because, like joe, he wasn't that big outside his homeland.

and , no, i'm not american.....

you've missed the point.

it's not the gate takings that make a fight viable - although it helps.
it's the spin-off from it. like i said. casino (mostly), but hotels and the revenue from people coming to the event too. PPV of course.

i'm talking beyond the 500 quid the local welsh hotels make.

if you want to be petty and refer to my "superior knowledge" i have so early in your argument then you might want to build up the confidence and check out my references before putting yourself on the line so early next time. sets you up ands pulls down your argument too fast.

 

hatton gate receipts v lazcano were $11 to $12 million.

you would have to guess calzaghe v jones would better that in a bigger venue but say they equalled that its $11 million.

MSG has no casino i am pretty sure of that.

you have to pay to hire out MSG just as you do in events in the uk.

air plane tickets/hotels/mcdonalds ?
whats that got to do with money generated , thats to do with local economy , nothing to do with money generated for a fight.

PPV in america is not great at the moment
pavlik bombed
paq bombed
in fact nearly every fight ppv in america at the moment is bombing.

calzaghe v jones will take place at a time when america will be in an even worse finacial position than it is now if the oil gets up to near $200 as anticiapted and the knock on effect that has on both our economys.

IMO jones v calzaghe will be watched by about 300,000 homes possibly 400,000
put this fight in the uk on sky and it would do way more and you could still have it ppv in the states

this is my arguement to the fight being in the uk.
huge gate receipts
bigger ppv.

i dont know why but uk sporting events have always been immune from recessions , people willing to spend there last penny to watch and attend , this is not the case in america.

 

fair enough but PPV in the US pulls more than the UK.

i don't know what you mean about pavlik and pacman getting 'bombed' though....

the only reason joe does more more PPV in the UK is because he isn't known in the US - which is still largely true to the beercan fan. and these are the guys who put bums on seats.

 

you're missing the point though.

a lot of brits want to believe that ebing a homegrown champ gives you kudos to big bucks but it just doesntr happen that way...

by the way - its misleading to say pacmanøs PPV effort 'bombed' because he does bloody well for a lower weight fighter and you know that.

the gate from hatton - lazcanzo is immaterial in the big picture, and a calzaghe -jones fits the same bill because jones is a much bigger fighter (still) internationally than joe is.

that's why the fight is happening in the US. joe knows this and thats why he has offloaded warren - who is purely a UK based promoter.

i think it's very naaive to say that a jones - calzaghe fight works better business in the UK. that is the "emperor's new clothes" syndrome that warren has thrived off for years.