I think Canelo has the style to beat Beterbiev if the stars align.

If anyone got punished in the first two fights it was GGG. GGG came out of both fights far more marked up and hurt than Canelo. In the first fight Canelo fought very defensively which allowed him to avoid getting punished, which enabled him to lull GGG into a false sense of security and load up on big shots. In the rematch he took the fight to GGG in order to dish out punishment. The idea that Canelo was "punished" by GGG is simply ludicrous. There's an argument that GGG "outpointed" Canelo or "outworked" Canelo in terms of throwing and landing more punches, but you're the first I've heard argue that GGG "punished" Canelo. Canelo was the one who did the punishing, that much is quite clear.

The fact that you think GGG "punished" Canelo shows that YDKSAB. The scoring can be debated with many close debatable rounds, but the amount of punishment imposed was pretty clear, Canelo landed the bigger more damaging punches, but overall he threw and landed less punches than GGG which is why most scored them for GGG.

 

I agree GGG outworked Canelo in fight 1. Canelo was more skillful and efficient and landed the more eye catching work in most rounds, he was outpointed in that first match you could say, particularly in the middle rounds. That doesn't mean he lost but I would agree he was outworked in that first match. In the rematch though I would disagree, Canelo clearly outworked GGG in the rematch with a relentless assault of power shots. GGG threw more punches, mostly jabs, but Canelo was working harder in the rematch, as loading up on heavy power shots requires more energy than backing away and throwing mostly light jabs.

 

Canelo lost fight 1 sir. 7-5 or 8-4

 

Corrected it for you.

But no, in all seriousness, you had a number of swing rounds that could go from 8-4/7-5 GGG to 8-4/7-5 Canelo.

I had Rounds 1-4, 6, and 10-12 for Canelo and Rounds 5, 7-9 for GGG but given how close many of those rounds were a draw was very fair.

Many GGG fans for example gave GGG rounds 4-6 which can certainly be argued but even Round 5 which I gave to GGG could be given to Canelo as he was winning the round until the late stages. I gave it to GGG mostly due to that shot he landed with Canelo on the ropes when Canelo shook his head, but unlike Round 4 when Canelo was schooling GGG on the ropes GGG did finally land something of note there near the end of Round 5 and finished the round strong.

If you're really honest about it, this was a very hard fight to score, but my guess is you're not going to admit that and claim that it was an easy fight to score. This is the difference between the likes of you and me. While I give my take and score, I also recognize that many rounds could be seen differently. And I can understand why GGG fans or even neutrals think GGG won, just based on his work rate and come forward style. The problem was, while GGG was working harder, he struggled to land clean punches, and Canelo even on the back foot showed he was the ring general in there. Because of the traps he set for GGG, how often he made him miss and made him pay.

That's why i said, yes GGG outworked Canelo, he threw more punches, maybe landed more, but the more significant shots, the more eye catching shots, the better defense, the more high level skillset (upper body movement, ropes work, body shots, counter punching, etc) was from Canelo.

The only clear GGG round in my mind was Round 7 his best round of the fight. Rounds 8 and 9 Canelo has more of a case as GGG wasn't as dominant as he was in Round 7, i.e. G's jab really landed well in round 7, not quite so good in 8 and 9. See I really pay attention to this kind of stuff, i.e. how jabs land, not just if they land like many casuals do. GGG still controlled Rounds 8 and 9 and on work rate and counting punches he did enough to win those but in both of those rounds Canelo landed the best punch. In professional scoring, a single big punch can swing a round. Canelo also landed the best punch in 7 but 8 and 9 weren't as dominant for G as 7 was. The point is, I gave 7-9 to GGG so don't start crying but I'm pointing out how even in those rounds you could make the argument for Canelo winning them, particularly 8 or 9, despite being outworked and not throwing many punches. Beacuse again, Canelo even while landing less and being out pointed landed the more significant shots.

In 1-3 Canelo was just outboxing GGG, those were pretty clear Canelo rounds that most gave to Canelo. Some gave GGG round 1. Round 4 wasn't as clear of a Canelo round as 2 or 3 due in part to the fact that Canelo was on the ropes for as long as he was and that was seen as advantageous to GGG but in reality it wasn't. Canelo was still outboxing GGG, landing the better shots, and the ropes work really showed who was the matador in there and who was in control. The late rounds Canelo really stepped on the gas and took the fight to GGG and got the better of most exchanges.

That's the fight in a nutshell but feel free to rebut or make your argument as to why GGG deserved to win.

 

Beterbiev > Bivol > Canelo

 

GGG won round 1, Canelo 2-4, then GGG won 5-9. IIRC 10 and 12 were swing rds and Canelo edged 11.

The rounds that GGG won were clear. The rounds Canelo won were swing rounds. GGG was the champ not Canelo. Canelo got benefit of the doubt like he did vs Trout, Lara, Floyd, and Bivol.

 

I have no opinion on the fight but I've heard the saying "you've got to take the belt from the champ" for decades now. I don't feel that a bout starts with the champ ahead on the score cards. In my opinion, each round should be scored independently regardless of who the champ and challenger is. If the round appears to be a tie, well then you score it a tie. If the challenger barely won the round, well you score it for the challenger and not score it a tie or for the champ.

 

Canelo fans are the worst.. some had him beating Usyk a couple of years ago

 

This coming from somebody who claims Canelo taught Floyd to fight on the ropes

 

"stars aligning" is just a euphemism for 'miracle'

 

There's a reason everyone booed the decision in the arena and almost all of press row as well as boxing journalists/websites had GGG winning.

 

I'm not disagreeing on whether GGG should have been given the decision. I'm disagreeing with the phrase "You gotta take it from the champ" to justify close rounds going to the champ just because he's the champ.

 

He has the style but not the size.

 

I think Canelo has the style to get knocked out for the first time in his career; if the fight happened NOW.

 

You've posted that Canelo 'whooped' 3G many times. Maybe ease up on the high horsing....