I think Haye beats Wlad.

I agree haye beats Wlad.

 

Haye is a monster and will KO Wald, now Vatiali is a different story but we all know Wald doesnt have a chin.

 

It's hard to say.

If Wlad comes into the fight confident - pressuring Haye and throwing right hands and left hooks, it will probably be a very tough night for the Londoner.

The chances of that happening though are very slim to say the least. Wlad as you say, while an excellent fighter, is extremely tentative, and that's his undoing. If he had a solid chin, he'd be pretty much unbeatable, as this would lead to renewed confidence aswell. But I think he knows that he can't afford to be shifting big punches.

He seems extremely wary of anybody with a hint of power, even a guy like Sultan Ibragimov, more of a boxer than a puncher, had Wlad keeping his distance at all times. So against a big puncher like Haye, I think he'd be very wary of his power and try to keep on the outside as usually and box off the back foot a bit.

Haye needs to continuously pressure Wlad and try to keep the fight at mid-range. If he's too far away, Wlad will paw and occassionally pop with the jab and keep scoring, while keeping Haye at distance and controlling the fight. If he's in close, he's going to be smothered and outmuscled by a naturally bigger guy. Mid range always him to get his punches off without being smothered.

The straight right and the left hook are obviously the danger punches with Wlad, especially the left hook in my opinion. I don't think opponents are as wary of it as they are of his jackhammer right hand, so Haye would need to be on his toes and especially wary of that short. If he keeps the fight at mid-range, it's also going to be the shot probably most used by Wlad, as it will be difficult to get the straight right off from a closer range with his long arms.

Haye I think therefore needs to keep up his head movement and lateral movement, his footwork and timing needs to be almost spot on. He needs to find a way round Wlad's pawing jab, slip any that Klitschko attempts to pop him with - being wary of the straight fight behind it - and find his way into mid-to-close quarters. I think he needs to keep his left hand up a bit higher than normal while at range, to avoid giving Wlad any openings that he may attempt to exploit. He doesn't need to worry about throwing the left hand from range, if he's going to throw from range the shot he should use is his trademark overhand right, a lunging left hook could give Wlad the opitune moment to counter with the right, which could spell trouble.

Once he's inside at mid-range, he can probably afford the drop his left hand a bit and look to unleash it to the body and head, perhaps doubling up on the hook. I don't think he needs to worry as much about the straight right as I said, Wlad will probably find it more difficult to get it off at a shorter distance, and will probably look to the left hook as his main weapon, it will be more beneficial as he's got more room to get it off and it will probably put Haye off-balance a bit more. So Haye needs to be wary of that.

He just needs to press Wlad and take advantage of his tentativeness. Both have suspect chins, both are big punchers, so it's the case of who lands first. Both have pretty limited arsenal's, the right hands being their main weapons, with the left hook in reserve. Wlad is the better technical fighter, Haye however has the confidence and the forward momentum being the aggressor.

 

I believe he could too.

 

People like you are jumping the gun. All I read in this Forum is Haye is gonna knock everybody out and beat the Klischkos.

The facts.

Haye had one fight at heavyweight against a bum.
Haye has a glass jaw.
He did capture two world titles at cruiser but his opposition was relatively weak.

Now, I believe that Haye got skills but let's not get overboard here. He ain't no Michael Spinks either.

 

Face the facts, you have no idea what a glass jaw is.

 

Facts :rofl:rofl:nut

3 world titles at cruiserweight, not 2.

2 fights at heavyweight not 1.

The rest of your 'facts' are actually just opinion too.

 

Fact is, Haye is unproven at heavyweight. He has not faced a top ten contender.

If he faces Waldo, the obvious will happen. Haye might give him trouble for a few rounds with his quickness but will eventually get tired. His questionable chin along with Wlado's power will end up in a KO for Waldo.

Now, if Haye hangs around for a couple years and fights top ten contenders, he will have a better chance of upsetting the champ.It is what it is, the rest is wishthinking.

 

Are you saying Wlad doesn't have a questionable chin, and that Haye doesn't have power?

Haye has just as much chance of knocking out Wlad.

 

:good:rofl:roflatsch

 

Wishful thinking.

 

Not with that shaky chin, he won't. Haye has trouble taking the punches of OLD cruisers and supermiddles. He is gonna get destroyed by the first decent HW he faces.

 

Considering he took a full blown left hook from Enzo Maccarinelli, I think your point can be disputed.

Wlad has trouble taking the punches of journeymen, what's your point?