I think Holyfield beats 70s Foreman is that an unpopular opinion?

I'm on your side in this thread (that Holyfield loses to Foreman) but holy **** man we get it!

 

Even as a fan i often forget how potent the Foreman jab was. He won Olympic gold despite only having had 20 amateur fights ever, going in. Tho raw his jab did plenty of damage in the ams. He'd only had 26 amateur fights when he turned pro, which would help explain the mostly cautious, tho hectic, buildup. He had 37 fights in not much over a year before Frazier.

That jab video is sick.

 

Old mate haNZAgod never disappoints.

Never tire of watching George hit the heavy bag but this link also shows an all too brief moment (go to 1:00) of George jabbing at the bag - well educated and the power behind it is phenomenal.

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His power is insane on the bag, i mean look at the dent. One of those guys with enormously heavy hands no matter what he throws. Shavers was super heavy handed as well and I'd bet money Liston was. The latent power on guys like that is surreal.

The other thing I've always noticed with George that i seldom see in other heavyweights is his use of cadence. I think this is part of what Holyfield talks about when regarding thinking Foreman's punches would be easy to avoid, but, to his chagrin, found out that Georges timing was really something else. Obviously great anticipation and manufacturing of where ones head is going to be after the previous punch is vital as well.

As he moved to the KO of Moorer he was keeping the gap between the left and the right super short and in full speed that KO right hand is landing not much after the jab. Moorer was still processing the jab when the right hand hit home and it was well camouflaged by that left glove.

 

I do not know who would win between a clean Holyfield and any other boxer. It’s clear that Holyfield was a very talented and skillful boxer, but it is also clear that he was roided out and lying immoral person. Foget about Foreman, it’s ludicrous to think that a clean Holyfield is bigger than Joe Louis or could beat Louis if the Real Deal was clean. Note: Joe Louis did not need roida to be a heavyweight.

 

Foreman hit the heavy bag as he did for the media. Banging on a big bag constantly will ruin anyone’s hands.

 

For the media or not, I’m pretty sure Foreman still wailed on the bag and we don’t see Foreman hitting the bag for necessarily extended periods.

Many observers said that Foreman hitting the heavy bag was one of the most formidable sights they had ever seen - and I read that Ali’s team pointedly steered Ali away from witnessing same while George was training.

 

Agreed. It was a very well executed KO - plenty of force behind the right but heavy handed guys make it look somewhat effortless - though he has excellent hand speed also, Zhang fits into the realm of heavy handed, lazy power also, just imo.

 

Wow that heavy bag footage is conclusive. Hitting a big stuffed bag hard always is vital for being a great fighter. I mean, if you can't hit a heavy bag, then what can you hit?

 

Zhang has big power and he's extremely sharp on the counter with either hand which makes him pretty dangerous. He's heavy handed alright.

 

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No one said it was conclusive in its own right.

It was linked exactly for what it was/is in due measure.

Yes, we know Ali said that no one would be holding him as Saddler held the bag for Foreman.

But then, we did see Foreman wail away in that very fashion to Ali’s body - successfully landing big punches that Ali def. felt and that saw him pissing blood after the fight.

Of course Ali had one of the most, if not the most, resilient bodies so he was able to take them. Many would not have.