I think Holyfield beats 70s Foreman is that an unpopular opinion?

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Sure, but he undoubtedly got older.
     
  2. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    I mean he had quite a few bouts where he didn’t just go to war, Holyfield could box, it was usually against overmatched guys I noticed he’d get stupidly aggressive.
     
  3. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    And? Learning to box is why he survived, learning restraint and relaxing is why he didn’t gas out in 3 rounds, developing a good defence with Moore and adding 40lbs of mass and not dehydrating himself didn’t hurt either.
     
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  4. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Weird logic and also Foreman did not win 5 rounds off Holyfield lol did he? That fight didn’t seem close, Foreman himself was just happy to go the distance - 20 years younger he was a different fighter and he wouldn’t be able to go 12 rounds against Holyfield.
     
  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Use whatever Holyfield you want, pinning it down too much wouldn’t be fair considering people are using Old Foreman as a stand in for potentially winning a decision at this point.
     
  6. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Two judges scored 5 of the rounds for Foreman but they were different rounds and only one judge scored 5 rounds for Foreman. If that doesn't make sense I'm struggling to find the words to describe what I mean but you should know what I mean.

    The Young fight shows he could go 12 with Foreman. But either way he wouldn't need to.
     
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  7. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    If Evander Holyfield fights in the right style he can beat any version of George Foreman, in my view. He was fast enough and talented enough, with good enough punch resistance for when Foreman catches him occasionally. He would have to maintain discipline, though.
     
  8. janitor

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    He learned to box in the 90s, because he would have got wiped out using his 70s style.

    He didn't learn to box in the 70s, because he didn't need to.
     
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  9. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    To park alongside @JohnThomas1 per another thread :D, a couple of relevant quotes from the thread linked below: -

    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/prime-george-foreman-vs-evander-holyfield.665654/


    And now, some quotes from this current thread: -

    Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt nor is Agenda just a label for males/females. :lol:
     
  10. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    So my opinion changed after a 4 year period of learning and you're shocked? that's your gotcha? :confused: bit weirdly invested to be digging through posts nearly half a decade ago over what I think of boxing.
     
  11. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    An older and much slower Foreman modified himself in the 90s - by no means did that make him a better fighter in overall, net terms - nor did it morph him into a completely different fighter.

    Young Foreman’s jab was an absolute stand out in his first career. Nothing new. Foreman’s power in his first career was otherworldly, again, nothing new.

    Young Foreman was immensely strong and used that strength to great advantage, yet again, nothing new.

    Putting aside the obvious impact of stamina issues, Young Foreman was also plenty durable.

    Old Foreman was simply that much slower and more reserved. He fought more in deference to the longer haul.

    Old Foreman also did not possess the acute accuracy that he often displayed in his first career and his power of punch was no longer aided by the speed with which he threw those punches.

    Old Foreman, working off a terrific jab, put Holyfield in enough moments of serious bother to reasonably calculate that Young Foreman would inflict so much more damage and finish the job - mooting any questions of how the fight might unpack after 6 rounds.
     
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  12. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Don't you know if you change your mind after 4 years that means you're inconsistent and wrong you have to never change your mind its how we get geniuses like this midwit
     
  13. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Yes but this is the 90s not the 70s and he's a dime a dozen physically, George here would be running a murderers row of iron chinned guys, good boxers and his psychical superiors all around him - fights like Ron Lyle wouldn't have been so hard on him if he could box a bit ya know? in this timeline he'd burn out and be an opponent type.
     
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  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    I have no idea what my opinion even 6 months ago would matter "vanquish" what I am stating in THIS thread :nusenuse: I guess he's still making this personal and not about discussing actual boxing?
     
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  15. Pugguy

    Pugguy Ingo, The Thinking Man’s GOAT Full Member

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    Yawn….you were just proven to have contradicted yourself and you cop out with the old cliche “weirdly invested”. :lol:

    That was a happenstance find at any rate and involved one simple search.

    A period of 4 years of learning and now it’s a resolute win for Holyfield over a Foreman of whom you don’t think much? :lol: Right, sure.

    Just another easily anticipated, lame excuse/deflection on your part. Sing it out along with me - AGENDA. :lol:
     
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