I think Holyfield beats 70s Foreman is that an unpopular opinion?

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  1. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Congratulations, Swag!
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Cheers mate. Means a lot from you. Was already offered a position as a software engineer by my internship. Unsure if I should go back to school immediately as my gut tells me or wait a little bit and build some experience with this job.
     
  3. Greg Price99

    Greg Price99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very generic advice, without knowing much about your personal circumstances - play the long game and maximise your education and qualifications up front, it may delay financial independence, but it's more likely to pay off in the long run.

    Either way, you're in the right field, the demand, and opportunities, for software engineers are only going to increase over the coming years.
     
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  4. Joeywill

    Joeywill Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Id favor the best version Holyfield to beat the best version of Foreman but Holyfield was just so incosistent that I cant pick him here
     
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  5. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Very nice Swag but are you going to debate this or nah? Otherwise I’d much rather you go to your DM’s then post here about how you’re doing in school no offence, Genuine congrats btw securing your financial future is more important then ever, single incomes for the layman are leaving a lot of young people choosing between which insurances to cancel etc at this point.
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Thanks mate. Always appreciate advice from the elders. ;)
     
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  7. Philosopher

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    Hey man, congratulations. I did not go to university until I was 40 and loved it.
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Cheers mate. Nothing wrong with that. I myself went late as well. After High school, I pursued boxing, was very close to going pro, until I was in a fight with one of the best fighters in my city, went for an uppercut, got nailed with a murderous left hook that vibrated my body.

    It didn't really set in until the next day, I woke up, with my arms and legs in searing pain, and my neck basically immobile. Every time I tried to move it, it hurt so bad. Took me 15 mins to get the strength to wake up and drive to the E.R. X-ray found nothing so I underwent an MRI. Two herniated discs.... any one punch can paralyze me. So fighting is out the window.

    Had that not happened, I would've never gone back. Some things are simply meant to be.
     
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  9. JohnThomas1

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    Congratulations mate!!!!! Greg is a rather wise man!!!!!
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    This fights simple to unpack for me.

    Holyfield has a penchant for brawling. Holyfield showed good lateral movement and boxed quite well in the Bowe rematch........trouble is Foreman is one of the best ring cutters the heavyweight division has ever seen. Ali comments are well known at this point and we can see it in full effect in the ring.

    Holyfield tries to box, Holyfield can't box well enough to evade, Holyfield isn't strong enough to nullify Foreman in the clinches, Holyfield ends up having to brawl far too often and only one man is winning in this scenario.

    Foreman TKO 4-6.
     
  11. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I unfortunately agree. Holy simply isn't a good enough boxer to evade Foreman so he's gonna have to exchange with him when all else fails..... which he's going to do anyways which plays into Foreman's hands more and more.

    He's going to have to trade whether he wants to (and we all know he does) or not.
     
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  12. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    Well if it's simple let's go through it. :thumbsup:

    "Holyfield has a penchant for brawling." well in this hypothetical Holyfield is at his best which includes following a strategy and not being overconfident against guys like Cooper, Bowe 1 and Qawi and GF. Evander demonstrated against Bowe in the rematch, Douglas and against Tyson in 95? (I forget the date) elsewhere he was capable of sticking to a gameplan in Bowe 2 he and Steward devised a perfect plan for GF, EH was to use his legs, wear Bowe down over stretch controlling the distance with his jab and then roll out the combos, Holyfield was slicing Bowe up with his left hand beautifully.

    George Foreman himself said Bowe was too young and they should possibly pull him out before he takes too bad a whupping in the 4th RB spent himself with 90 punches and Holyfield for 5-6 seemingly got the marching orders to roll out the volume / combos from Mr Steward... then "Fan Man" showed up lol and gave them both a 10? minute rest - Isn't that a perfect plan for GF? Foreman wouldn't be able to counter Holyfields right hand the way Bowe did to counter EH'S longer range attacks and keep him honest at that distance (That Futch way of riding the right hand and countering with an uppercut wouldn't keep Holy from dominating that range here) GF also looped his punches which is a terrible idea IMO against Holy but I'll get to that.

    About "Ring Cutting" why would it be problematic for Evander Holyfield if we believe he's fighting to wear Foreman out / stall like he did with Tyson and in Bowe 2? Why couldn't that strategy work? When you swing your arms like Foreman you create a wide arc to get inside and this was Tyson's issue with Evander... he would get in that arc and onto his chest to Billy Goat him (Leonard talked about this, Steward gave Holyfield the orders to stay on his chest because I suspect it was because Bowe looped his punches) wide hooks are asking for it against Holyfield, he'd butt Foreman or use his GF's hooks gainst him to get inside and work, both guys (Tyson and Foreman) had square hips and were forward momentum fighters, once he's inside he'll be able to move George around the ring (Just physics when your hips are square like that) fighting inside which was one of GF's weak point would be where a lot of this takes place, he couldn't punch short either - EH certainly could also tie up on the inside like he did to everybody...

    He did with Rahamn, Tyson, Bowe, Lennox etc no one really overly physically overmatched Holyfield his entire career right? I highly suspect that the walking pharmacy famous for his strength that employed Mr Olympia's and sports science experts is probably a match in the clinch for the dehydrated, softer looking guy who did push ups and chopped wood. I know Holyfield got pushed by Old Foreman but in Foreman's own words shoving isn't an indication of strength, just that one guy might be a lot heavier, that won't be the case here, they're roughly the same size.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    I've given my run down, i have no interest in debating it with you ad infinitum.
     
  14. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Delusional BUT Determined Full Member

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    That’s okay I’ll let you off the hook. ;)
     
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  15. slash

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    Not out of the realm, Holyfield could KO 70's Foreman.

    The better the opponent, the more Holyfield could pull out an Ali/Louis combo (swift like Ali, heavy like Louis) against a hapless foe. Any man. Body shots second to none. 70's Foreman better not put himself at a bad angle against a fighter that had a left hook with reach on it.
     
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