I think Holyfield beats 70s Foreman is that an unpopular opinion?

Holyfield was a juiced up light heavyweight/cruiserweight. He could have completed in the 50’s against Marciano, Walcott, Charles, , Moore, but most likely would have been to light even for Rocky without HGH and the roids. Probably the worst thing that he did was not lying about his PED use, but his worst lie was saying that GOD healed his heart condition which was brought on from HGH abuse. It’s pretty bad when you need to get the deity involved in your coverup.

 

or:
70's Foreman couldn't take what 90's Foreman took from Holyfield. No way. He's going down.

 

Funny…. there were “papers published” in regards to widespread it (I assume steroids) were widespread in sports. Did RFK jr give you those reports? I know that some athletes used steroids in the 70’s. I knew a few and it was quite easy to tell. The steroids most athletes used during the 70’s, and more specifically, the usage of steroids was not as sophisticated back then. It was easy to tell. You just need to look at former Pittsburgh Steelers offensive lineman Steve Courson or DL Lyle Alzado to see that I mean. Steroids were used in by athletes to bulk up. Boxers prior to the 80’s were not into weightlifting as it was feared that that type of training was harmful to a boxer. Diuretics or some type of amphetamine were more likely abused by pro boxers during those years to cut weight— not steroids. Look at the body builds of boxers prior to 90’s. Look at Holyfield’s body in 85 when he turned pro at a light heavyweight. Then compare his body from then to when he fought for the cruiser weight title less than two years later. Then he goes to 205 at heavyweight and then ends up looking like a black Popeye the sailor at 215lbs. Body he and Tyson looked juiced when they fought. Joe Louis had a completely different body type and physique from Holyfield. Louis was not tightly muscle bound but he was fit and lean with muscles. Holyfield was caught cheating and still lied. He’s the one who publicly came out and said that God healed his heart and and that PEDs had nothing to do with it. No one made him say those things and people have a right to call him out for lying and cheating. Foreman was WAY over 300 before his comeback. The man was always strong as a bull. Foreman was not trying to bulk up or get stronger he was trying to cut weight and increase his endurance which was a problem for him during the 70’s.

 

Holyfield’s PED usage and their obvious promotion of his performances can be brought up anytime as one wishes, of course.

Raising Evan’s PED usage also presents as a refutation against the ever present argument for the evolution of boxing via otherwise natural, modern training, nutrition and technique.

While one could question the morality of other boxers for actions not related to the plying of their boxing trade, Holyfield’s immorality is inextricably entwined with the promotion of his performances in the ring.

No one is confused re the distinction between non PED Holyfield and PED Holyfield.

We can take the latter Holyfield, he still gets brutally stopped by prime Foreman. We can also surmise that Young Foreman does it that much more easily against a non PED Holyfield.

I recently referenced Young Foreman’s jab, a force and entity in its own right to be reckoned with.

Young George appreciated and put great stock in that jab, using it and working off it beautifully.

Young Foreman’s hands were also crucially that much faster and his pin point accuracy was quite something.

Anyone who has actually watched the Young Foreman fight and knows how to properly analyse Foreman’s use of that jab, also knows that his jab was a significant, optimally employed weapon to say the least.

Very early career Foreman’s jab was already being compared to those of both Joe Louis and Sonny Liston.

Foreman saw notable success with the jab against Holyfield, that success would be greatly magnified as deployed and worked off by the Young Foreman.

Here’s a nice montage showing both Young and Old George using the jab to great success: -

This content is protected

As to invalid discrediting of Foreman’s more looping, arcing punches - many of said punches successfully found their mark in his first career,

- fast forwarding to ‘91, shortly into round 7 vs Holyfield, Old Foreman found Holyfield very nicely with said punch type - see clip below.

Evander has waxed lyrical far more about Old Foreman’s power than any other fighter.

Evander made it clear how badly Foreman hurt him at various points - whilst also noting that he always ensured that he did his level best not to let on to his opponents how shaken he was, especially in said instances vs Foreman.

In this particular instance, Evander’s hurt reaction is palpably obvious, including the fact that he simply stops punching for a notable stretch of time.

Foreman’s follow up is very good and Holyfield is tough but the follow up of Young Foreman would have been that much more devastating and on point.

Holyfield vs Foreman, Round 7: -

This content is protected

 

I apologize, but I thought that this was a boxing forum. Oh dear. The fact is that Holyfield, Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriquez were some of the most disgraceful cheats to ever participate in professional sports. When caught using PEDS even Armstrong, Mosley, and McGuire admitted cheating by using PEDs. The fact that a man like Holyfield would be such a coward to not admit that he was a cheated even after caught shows what a bum he is. Big George admitted that he was a criminal and thug growing up poor in Houston, but many can admit bad decisions while young men and reform and admit their mistakes. He lost to the “Real Deal” in 1991, but big George is respected as champion in American society. Holyfield claims that God saved him which is insulting to any ethnical human. The big man is gone but he left respected without defeating Tyson. Everyone knows who and what Holyfield is. Oh dear.

FYI: I do not need to do research on steroids during the 70’s. I knew guys who abused that crap and it was easy to see who was doing it. Most boxers prior to 1980 would not even lift weights let alone e take “steroids”. Joe Louis would have been too big for a clean Evander the Evangelical.

 

It’s hard to compare Holyfield to other great fighters since he was a proven cheat. Don’t get mad at me. He did it. I think a fair question is how would Holyfield do against 1950 heavyweights or ever Usyk when he was a crustier weight. How would Holyfield do against Dempsey considering Holyfields natural weight was less than Gene Tunney’s?