I think Judah layed the best blueprint on how to beat Floyd

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  1. TheExpertboxer

    TheExpertboxer Active Member Full Member

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    I would pinpoint the first 4 rounds. Judah layed back and boxed. He made Floyd take the lead. He punched and backed up out of the way of the counter. He counterpunched the counterpuncher with straight lefts and made Floyd look tentative and unsure how to attack. Jab, back up, straight left, back up. Then at times he waited for Floyd to come in and he threw a sneaky uppercut which landed well a few times but he didn't throw it enough. Floyd turned into a guy who held his hands high in a peekaboo and slowly plodded forward like he was Mickey Ward or something. Then when he held his hands high Judah rips a couple hard body shots. I'm not sure if Judah mentally wilted after this like he has under pressure before against Cotto and Baldomir, but he often gets gunshy under constant pressure. Perhaps it's a stamina thing, or perhaps he has doubts in his stamina because he stopped throwing punches. He pretty much gave up on his jab after round 6 and Floyd had an easier time getting close. In round 8 he threw more and didn't have a bad round and finally in round 12 he threw more and probably won that round. He needed to keep letting his hands go and keep jabbing and countering. Everyone else falls into the trap of trying to go get Floyd and letting him do what he's used to and they fall into counters all night. Why not box and and make Floyd lead? I saw Judah turn Floyd into a lunging plodder for 4 rounds before he gave up the momentum and stopped punching.
     
  2. bballchump11

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    I hope you know many fighters have studied that fight after it :good
     
  3. Cinderella Man

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    :deal
     
  4. dlts20

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    dude, this makes no sense. You do realize that was a prime Zab who is a Southpaw, right? Nothing happened except he was a Souhtpaw that it takes Floyd sometimes 4 rounds to figure out and then its game over. I love how when Floyd figures a guy out, he doesnt get credit. Its always the other guy just caved on his own.

    Also, Floyd use to use the high guard alot against Southpaws because the shoulder roll isnt always consistent against it. It wasnt Zab. Its a Southpaw thing. I dont care how Floyd fights, he can never be Ward or a slow plodder because he's flat out way better then that.

    You are looking at it backwards. Instead you should be saying how awesome it is that Floyd can switch styles, walk a guy down like a brawler, and still outclass a guy and shut him out after that. Thats why he's the best. He has the versatility that no one else has.

    Zab was a prime, fast as Floyd, slick Southpaw who has sparred with Floyd before. Its going to take time to figure that out. 4 rounds is nothing in a 12 round fight. Floyd won one of those 4 and he won every round after that
     
  5. Stylez G.

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    Judah laid a blueprint that he himself couldn't follow for more than 2 rounds? There is no blueprint except to wait for Mayweather's skills to erode dramatically.
     
  6. TheExpertboxer

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    Mayweather fans getting mad. Mayweather didn't figure Judah out he just gained the momentum after Judah stopped punching. Obviously he's better than Mickey Ward but Floyd wasn't as impressive plodding forward and looking tentative to counters. Floyd was throwing the same right hands in round 1 but he wasn't reaching Zab as much because Zab was jabbing and stepping back or slipping. Judah had great talent but wasn't all there mentally. A guy like Martinez has the athleticism to use this and he might be able to still make 154. I know a few people think Devon Alexander can give Floyd a fight but he's probably not quite good enough to pull it out.
     
  7. Stylez G.

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    Why did Judah stop punching? Seriously though, Judah did really well in rounds 2 and 4 and that's about it. That's not the fight to look at for ideas to beat Mayweather.
     
  8. TheExpertboxer

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    Judah stopped punching against Baldomir. Judah had a big 1st round against Zoo and then stopped punching in round 2. Judah stopped punching after round 1 vs Cotto and Yoel yelled at him the whole fight to let his hands go. He does it all the time and even moreso in his younger days. Not sure if he loses concentration when he gets hit or if he doubts his stamina. I think zab won the first 2 rounds. He buzzed Floyd in round 4 and then went crazy with big punches that didn't land. Obviously Floyd had something to do with it but I think him not jabbing and using less counters only made it easier for Floyd to walk him down. He was more busy in round 8 and 12 and didn't do bad there either. I think he also got a little big in the punches after going or the knockout in round 4. Like I said though Zab has done the same thing before. He gave away the Baldomir fight earlier that year.
     
  9. Stylez G.

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    He stopped punching in the second round against Tszyu? I think think him getting knocked out had something to do with that. He stopped punching against Mayweather and Cotto because he was getting killed with body shots. Fighters just don't stop punching after 4 rounds for the hell of it.
     
  10. TheExpertboxer

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    Sure they do. They get hit and lose concentration. They lose confidence. They get scared. They get caught up in the fight and forget what works. He wasn't killed with body shots by round 5 against Floyd. How do you explain Judah's loss to Baldomir? Never should have happened given the talent difference.
     
  11. dlts20

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    Zab lost pretty much all his fights at that point because he didnt belong at that weight. He didnt stop punching. Its just that the bigger stronger guys would always eventually wear him down. He belonged at 140. He was at WW fighting huge guys and alot of them were top notch like Cotto & Clottey. Even Baldy is underrated. His managers are idiots.

    No way should he had been fighting those guys. I always argue with people that say he's a 4 round fighter. I always tell people to go look at his career. Even the Spinks fights. He can easily go 12. Those other fights were just against the best guy in this era in Floyd and guys who were way too big for him
     
  12. TheExpertboxer

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    With his speed and power, he should punch more.
     
  13. dlts20

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    its funny that you are saying IDK what Im talking about but then you go on to name all Southpaws. That was it. Thats what Im trying to tell you. If Zab was a righty then Floyd wouldve owned him from round 1 but it takes time to figure out a Soutpaw, espically at that stage of Floyd's career. Pretty much every fighter struggles against Southpaws, including Southpaws themselves. Its by far the biggest advantage in the sport.

    Floyd wasnt bad against them then and he's even alot better now but if you want someone to beat Floyd I have always said that they either have to be so big & strong that Floyd just cant overcome it or they have to be a Southpaw and catch him with some bs.
     
  14. NeckBreaknAiken

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  15. TheExpertboxer

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    The Southpaw thing put Judah further away and made Floyd had to reach more. I do think southpaws are more effective. However I still think that the best way to beat him (Minus a punchers chance) is to make him lead and counterpunch the counterpuncher.