I think Judah layed the best blueprint on how to beat Floyd

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  1. dlts20

    dlts20 Active Member Full Member

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    thats so wrong. Floyd doesnt have a clear weakness. He's very good at walking guys down, fighting in the pocket, and everything.

    There is a reason why you dont see many people make Floyd lead. You have no chance of winning if you are letting a guy lead who is faster than you, a better boxer than you, smarter than you, and has great defense. He's going to beat you to the punch 99% of the time in that case. Basically you are telling someone to let a fast, smart, sharp shooter like Floyd get off first while you are trying to outbox the best pure boxer of our generation. Its hard to do. A few guys like maybe Sergio, Lara, and Trout have a chance but size still has alot to do with that. I wouldnt bet on it
     
  2. TheExpertboxer

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    Length, a jab, and near equal speed nuetralizes speed and boxing skills to a certain extent. He wasn't beating Zab to the punch. You're saying that the best way to fight him is to rush forward and expose yourself to counters? You are falling into what he's good at. You can trouble a guy at his own game because noone tries it. Ken norton beat Ali with the jab and outjabbed ali despite having a inferior jab so don't fall into that trap of thinking. Sergio could probably beat him with his length and speed and movement. He keeps punching too.
     
  3. boxingbull

    boxingbull Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I always felt Judah not Castillo was the closet way to beat floyd a combination of speed southpaw and a jab
     
  4. tennis

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    say what u wil

    but a prime southpaw tiger like pacquiao who comes out so strong

    against... such a suspect chin like mayweather

    that was the blueprint

    floyd didnt want that
     
  5. TheExpertboxer

    TheExpertboxer Active Member Full Member

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    BTW in boxing a guy normally gets figured out in round 2 or 3. If you get through 4 rounds, that's a little beyond the normal. Judah was still making Floyd reach and miss in round 5 but he wasn't throwing as much. By round 6 and 7 more and more were reaching. This might be the only fight that Floyd was losing past round 3.
     
  6. tennis

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    yall realise castillo beat floyd easily right?
     
  7. dlts20

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    you are missing the point. Floyd is too good. You arent going to beat him in anyway but you definitely arent going to outbox him. There are only 2 ways. Size and being a Southpaw. And in most cases the Southpaw thing is a size thing also because in a p4p sense Sergio, Lara, or Trut have no chance either. They just do because they are both Southpaws and much bigger than Floyd
     
  8. TheExpertboxer

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    No, and certainly not the second time when Floyd was healthy. The measured pressure could work as Floyd gets older though.
     
  9. dlts20

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    its different with a Southpaw. Its not just the fighter, its the stnance. Again, if Zab was a righty then you still think he wouldve troubled Floyd or it wouldve taken 4 rounds?
     
  10. dlts20

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    suspect chin despite never even being dropped as a pro or am?
     
  11. TheExpertboxer

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    You don't really need superior boxing skills to outbox a guy or at least fight on even terms. Height. Smarts. Making a guy fight a fight he's less accustomed too. You don't usually wanna walk into a counterpuncher. Floyd didn't make many adjustments vs Judah. He went to the body more and got closer which is easier when a guy stops punching. I didn't say it was easy and you need boxing skills.
     
  12. TheExpertboxer

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    He had to reach more against a Southpaw. Having height like Hearns or Forrest would have the same effect. I certianly give a Southpaw or a tall guy a better chance at outboxing Floyd. This goes back to not needing superior skills. Hearns is a good example actually. He had lesser boxing skills than Benitez and Leonard and outboxed both with his jab and footwork.
     
  13. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok so just to recap; Mayweather made no adjustments, Judah decided to stop stop punching on his own after 4 rounds, and Judah laid the blueprint on how to beat Floyd even though he was getting pummeled so bad that he unleashed a low blow, rabbit punch combo out of frustration. Hey, Judah came on strong in the latter stages of the Garcia fight. Maybe they should rematch. Judah can dust off his blueprint and win easily this time.
     
  14. TheExpertboxer

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    Whatever happened, backing up without throwing punches was clearly the way to go for Zab. Even when that went bad he could have mixed it up. He outboxed Floyd for 4 rounds, and then Floyd came on. If you think this was all Floyd and Not Zab, then Zab could have made his own adjustments and started trying to catch Floyd off guard and attack coming forward. Floyd would have at least initially been there because he was in stalk mode. Then Floyd would have had to make another adjustment. Zab isn't as there mentally as Floyd. That was probably the biggest difference.
     
  15. Stylez G.

    Stylez G. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're right, Zab isn't as there mentally as Floyd. Nobody in boxing is. And that's the problem with all this blueprint talk. The blueprint that you draw up for Floyd becomes obsolete as he won't be the same guy you prepared for. If you want to beat Floyd, you have to be able to outthink him. If you can't do that, then focus on what you do best and hope that Floyd gets injured or hope that you can get a gift from the judges.